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And @Kurb if you can't see that the NFL owners have a problem hiring qualified black men to positions of power then you are blind as fug. The only point that KT made I don't agree with is the point that the NFL is 40 years behind; they are not. Most of the world (with the exception of the US and Britain) is racist as poo. And the NFL is actually a pretty good mirror of American society as far as this issue is concerned.

Old white men who amassed the large sums of money required to buy/own a team will hire who they want and will not react well to being forced by the NFL to do anything. They are used to doing what they want. Their attitudes are the problem; why should they hire a qualified black man when they are not comfortable with that and (in their opinion) they can hire an equally competent white man to do that job? I'm not sure how the NFL can fix that.

Should a black man be hired to be a HC over a white man just because he is black? That is basically what KT has been advocating/insinuating on this board for years. Black people should get X because they are black and I disagree with that.

Caldwell was a poor HC in Indy (IMO), but it is worth mentioning that their GM created a poo team in the end. That said I doubt the rest of the NFL has forgotten that.

Bengals

Raiders

Bears

Panthers

Indy

Pittsburg

Have had minority coaches in recent years.

Hell most would say Tomlin was one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL.

2 of the best GM's in the NFL are black. Ravens/Giants.

I support diversity in all business, but not to a fault.

FWIW the NFL now has a owner that is a Minority (Khan in JVille)

KT has long self appointed himself some kind of pioneer of the Black man on these forums, a destroyer of racism. When in fact he promotes the success of one race over another for the sake of color. That in itself is wrong.

It does the world good to call out silly people from time to time.

and when everyone jumps on my back as a closet racist, I will stand behind my exceptionally diverse group of friends and associates and laugh.

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Neither of you responded to KT's point that despite the fact that 80% of the league is black there are very few blacks in authority positions. @rscott94, you are advocating the "head in the sand" approach. Pretending that race and skin color doesn't matter is absurd. Race is still an issue because a lot of people are racist. And@ Kurb if you can't see that the NFL owners have a problem hiring qualified black men to positions of power then you are blind as fug. The only point that KT made I don't agree with is the point that the NFL is 40 years behind; they are not. Most of the world (with the exception of the US and Britain) is racist as poo. And the NFL is actually a pretty good mirror of American society as far as this issue is concerned.

Old white men who amassed the large sums of money required to buy/own a team will hire who they want and will not react well to being forced by the NFL to do anything. They are used to doing what they want. Their attitudes are the problem; why should they hire a qualified black man when they are not comfortable with that and (in their opinion) they can hire an equally competent white man to do that job? I'm not sure how the NFL can fix that.

Yes but isn't this thread racist itself? It sounds to me like he wants one superior race instead of equality... I agree there's still racism but it's not just on one side like most people think.

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Should a black man be hired to be a HC over a white man just because he is black? That is basically what KT has been advocating/insinuating on this board for years. Black people should get X because they are black and I disagree with that.

Caldwell was a poor HC in Indy (IMO), but it is worth mentioning that their GM created a poo team in the end. That said I doubt the rest of the NFL has forgotten that.

Bengals

Raiders

Bears

Panthers

Indy

Pittsburg

Have had minority coaches in recent years.

Hell most would say Tomlin was one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL.

2 of the best GM's in the NFL are black. Ravens/Giants.

I support diversity in all business, but not to a fault.

FWIW the NFL now has a owner that is a Minority (Khan in JVille)

KT has long self appointed himself some kind of pioneer of the Black man on these forums, a destroyer of racism. When in fact he promotes the success of one race over another for the sake of color. That in itself is wrong.

It does the world good to call out silly people from time to time.

and when everyone jumps on my back as a closet racist, I will stand behind my exceptionally diverse group of friends and associates and laugh.

Yeah Tomlin is definitely a top 5 head coach...

And everything else you said agreed sir..... agreed

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That's mostly because nobody's going to wait over a month to fill in a head coaching position. What Jim Caldwell's contributed after taking a larger role as the OC and helping the offense score their way to at least a SB berth will put him on the radar for head coaching for at least the next few years.

Thank you. Teams want to fill their HC positions now. They do not want to wait until after the SB.

Also, just because Caldwell took over a loaded Colts team and had a successful first season does not automatically make him a great coach. Hell, Larry Coker took over a loaded Miami-Fla team and came one play away from beginning his tenure with two consecutive perfect seasons/championships. If he was all that great it would not have taken him three years to get a job once he was fired and that job would be a lot more premiere than Texas-San Antonio.

Now a much better option for this argument would be Lovie Smith. His only really bad season was his first one. He then experienced a lot of success including four ten win seasons out of eight, took one team to the SB and another to the NFCCG and just this past season was 10-6. Plus, he was not still working the way Caldwell is so teams would not have to wait.

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No black brothers have coached against each other in the Super Bowl.

Only white brothers.

This is obviously racism.

Very typical of you Kurb to "deflect" from the issue. If you cant relate, I wonder why you so often run in these threads and respond? Next I expect you to lock it because it makes you feel guilty.

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Yes but isn't this thread racist itself? It sounds to me like he wants one superior race instead of equality... I agree there's still racism but it's not just on one side like most people think.

This is the same argument people made when I said 4-5 years ago we should maybe look at some african american QBs. I was lampooned, tarred, feathered, and told I was a racist for even bringing it up. Now look at our franchise. Its not about one race being superior, its about giving equal opportunities to people who have contributed to this game. African americans have contributed GREATLY, so why such resistance to seeing them being decision makers, head coaches, offensive coordinators?

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Should a black man be hired to be a HC over a white man just because he is black? That is basically what KT has been advocating/insinuating on this board for years. Black people should get X because they are black and I disagree with that.

Never said or implied such a thing. Never once said high Flavor Flav as an OC because he is black. You are basically implying white people are always more qualified and the best safe option so its not unsusual or abnormal for the work force to be almost entirely comprised of blacks, but all authority is white. Why even go there? Is it totally unfathomable to you that one of these assistants like Caldwell or a Lovie could do better than a Dick Jauron or a Norv Turner?

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Very typical of you Kurb to "deflect" from the issue. If you cant relate, I wonder why you so often run in these threads and respond? Next I expect you to lock it because it makes you feel guilty.

Oh gosh you got me.....except not.

Ill lock it when it has run it's course and fallen into the shitter, I've no reason to feel any guilt on the subject of race.

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This is the same argument people made when I said 4-5 years ago we should maybe look at some african american QBs. I was lampooned, tarred, feathered, and told I was a racist for even bringing it up. Now look at our franchise. Its not about one race being superior, its about giving equal opportunities to people who have contributed to this game. African americans have contributed GREATLY, so why such resistance to seeing them being decision makers, head coaches, offensive coordinators?

Yes but why does he have to be an "African American QB" why couldn't you just say a great QB prospect... It's just like how people say "White WR" why can't he just be a WR? I have no problem with hiring a African American coach just as long as he's a dam good coach Honestly if we hired say Jim Caldwell or Hue Jackson just because they were African American and not because they were qualified for the job would that honestly make you happy?

And also you're saying since we gave a African American QB a chance that that made the team better? No it's because Cam is a dam good QB. This aint 1970-1980 no more man we have made progress and yes there is racism still i this world but not to just one race all the races and I hate it

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Oh gosh you got me.....except not.

Ill lock it when it has run it's course and fallen into the shitter, I've no reason to feel any guilt on the subject of race.

Then why do you make it a point to add commentary that has nothing to do with subject but is intended to deflect? There have been several threads that devolved into "evolution, etc" in the main board that I didnt participate in and I didnt notice you contributing your "deflect" tactics to those threads. If you choose to run from race Kurb thats fine, but your little comments come off like someone trying to justify guilt and excuse bias.

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"NFL Executive Vice president of Human Resources Robert Gulliver stated, "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity."

Analysts have pointed the lack of interview offers for Baltimore Ravens' Offensive Coordinator Jim Caldwell, who, as head coach, led the Indianapolis Colts to a 14-2 2009 season along with winning the 2009 American Football Conference title before losing in Super Bowl XLIV, as evidence that the rule needs revision. Some sports analysts have called upon the NFL to modify the Rooney Rule by requiring NFL teams to interview a minority candidate outside their respective organizations, and extending the rule to include interviews for offensive and defensive coordinators."

Read the above just this morning. The dilemma to overcome is this:

By creating the Rooney Rule, the NFL is all but admitting there is an issue with respect to interviewing minorities. I suppose the first conclusion or assumption one could make is that this is an act of racism. Maybe I'm not in the right position to make this call, but I must say, if I was a minority and I knew I was getting interviews not because of my resume but because "the man" said someone had to interview me... not sure how I'd respond to that.

I'm also of the opinion that just as there are teams who may not interview minority coaches, there are also minority coaches who would never interview for certain teams.

And I also believe that the racism we're most familiar with in this country, that of exclusion and segregation, is also arrived at when the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. That being forced inclusion (requiring the interview process to include minorities) and integration (putting minority children on a school bus to attend an all-white school 20 miles away).

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Then why do you make it a point to add commentary that has nothing to do with subject but is intended to deflect? There have been several threads that devolved into "evolution, etc" in the main board that I didnt participate in and I didnt notice you contributing your "deflect" tactics to those threads. If you choose to run from race Kurb thats fine, but your little comments come off like someone trying to justify guilt and excuse bias.

Why do you make it a point to bring up race in the context of qualifications? What does evolution have to do with anything we are talking about ? If you choose to run with the idea that every time a minority isn't hired/starting represents racism that's fine, but your little threads come off as someone trying to justify an irrational view of society and bias.

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