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#31 King Taharqa

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:00 PM

Should a black man be hired to be a HC over a white man just because he is black? That is basically what KT has been advocating/insinuating on this board for years. Black people should get X because they are black and I disagree with that.


Never said or implied such a thing. Never once said high Flavor Flav as an OC because he is black. You are basically implying white people are always more qualified and the best safe option so its not unsusual or abnormal for the work force to be almost entirely comprised of blacks, but all authority is white. Why even go there? Is it totally unfathomable to you that one of these assistants like Caldwell or a Lovie could do better than a Dick Jauron or a Norv Turner?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

Very typical of you Kurb to "deflect" from the issue. If you cant relate, I wonder why you so often run in these threads and respond? Next I expect you to lock it because it makes you feel guilty.


Oh gosh you got me.....except not.


Ill lock it when it has run it's course and fallen into the shitter, I've no reason to feel any guilt on the subject of race.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

This is the same argument people made when I said 4-5 years ago we should maybe look at some african american QBs. I was lampooned, tarred, feathered, and told I was a racist for even bringing it up. Now look at our franchise. Its not about one race being superior, its about giving equal opportunities to people who have contributed to this game. African americans have contributed GREATLY, so why such resistance to seeing them being decision makers, head coaches, offensive coordinators?

Yes but why does he have to be an "African American QB" why couldn't you just say a great QB prospect... It's just like how people say "White WR" why can't he just be a WR? I have no problem with hiring a African American coach just as long as he's a dam good coach Honestly if we hired say Jim Caldwell or Hue Jackson just because they were African American and not because they were qualified for the job would that honestly make you happy?

And also you're saying since we gave a African American QB a chance that that made the team better? No it's because Cam is a dam good QB. This aint 1970-1980 no more man we have made progress and yes there is racism still i this world but not to just one race all the races and I hate it

#34 King Taharqa

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

Oh gosh you got me.....except not.


Ill lock it when it has run it's course and fallen into the shitter, I've no reason to feel any guilt on the subject of race.


Then why do you make it a point to add commentary that has nothing to do with subject but is intended to deflect? There have been several threads that devolved into "evolution, etc" in the main board that I didnt participate in and I didnt notice you contributing your "deflect" tactics to those threads. If you choose to run from race Kurb thats fine, but your little comments come off like someone trying to justify guilt and excuse bias.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:11 PM

"NFL Executive Vice president of Human Resources Robert Gulliver stated, "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity."

Analysts have pointed the lack of interview offers for Baltimore Ravens' Offensive Coordinator Jim Caldwell, who, as head coach, led the Indianapolis Colts to a 14-2 2009 season along with winning the 2009 American Football Conference title before losing in Super Bowl XLIV, as evidence that the rule needs revision. Some sports analysts have called upon the NFL to modify the Rooney Rule by requiring NFL teams to interview a minority candidate outside their respective organizations, and extending the rule to include interviews for offensive and defensive coordinators.
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Read the above just this morning. The dilemma to overcome is this:

By creating the Rooney Rule, the NFL is all but admitting there is an issue with respect to interviewing minorities. I suppose the first conclusion or assumption one could make is that this is an act of racism. Maybe I'm not in the right position to make this call, but I must say, if I was a minority and I knew I was getting interviews not because of my resume but because "the man" said someone had to interview me... not sure how I'd respond to that.

I'm also of the opinion that just as there are teams who may not interview minority coaches, there are also minority coaches who would never interview for certain teams.

And I also believe that the racism we're most familiar with in this country, that of exclusion and segregation, is also arrived at when the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. That being forced inclusion (requiring the interview process to include minorities) and integration (putting minority children on a school bus to attend an all-white school 20 miles away).

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

Then why do you make it a point to add commentary that has nothing to do with subject but is intended to deflect? There have been several threads that devolved into "evolution, etc" in the main board that I didnt participate in and I didnt notice you contributing your "deflect" tactics to those threads. If you choose to run from race Kurb thats fine, but your little comments come off like someone trying to justify guilt and excuse bias.


Why do you make it a point to bring up race in the context of qualifications? What does evolution have to do with anything we are talking about ? If you choose to run with the idea that every time a minority isn't hired/starting represents racism that's fine, but your little threads come off as someone trying to justify an irrational view of society and bias.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

Affirmative action is not a good thing - for anyone

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

The conveniently ignored fact of the entire premise is this- 7 of the 8 head coaching positions were filled with coaches with extensive offensive backgrounds.

There was only one minority OC/HC candidate and he cannot be interviewed for another 2 weeks. Circumstance alone took him out of the running, not his skin color.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

Affirmative action is not a good thing - for anyone


A person should never be hired nor denied a job based on the color of there skin.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:38 PM

Why do you make it a point to bring up race in the context of qualifications? What does evolution have to do with anything we are talking about ? If you choose to run with the idea that every time a minority isn't hired/starting represents racism that's fine, but your little threads come off as someone trying to justify an irrational view of society and bias.


Problem is Kurby, I'm not the only person saying these things or bringing up this issue. You're tying to make it a "King Taharqa" thing when you've got organizations including the NFL talking about this.

You're not african american, you're not raising any african americans in your household so why do you even care? How does this affect you? Why does instinct say a foot forward for blacks mean a step backward for whites? Why did you imply hiring blacks means you're lowering your standards or hiring some unqualified? You came with an emotional over the top sarcastic response because just the mere mention of race makes you walk on eggshells and puts you on the defense. Why are you so uncomfortable talking about it? Why are you so quick to lock threads? If you're scared, if you feel you cant defend or speak intelligently on a subject why even respond? Arent you a mod? There are plenty of minorities who arent hired in hockey or baseball or NASCAR other things like golf. Have you ever seen me make a thread about that or speak on it? But those sports dont rely on the bodies and labor of african americans the way the NFL does, so of course its an issue. Just because the issue doesnt affect you and you cant relate at all doesnt mean that thats the same for other people.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

By creating the Rooney Rule, the NFL is all but admitting there is an issue with respect to interviewing minorities. I suppose the first conclusion or assumption one could make is that this is an act of racism. Maybe I'm not in the right position to make this call, but I must say, if I was a minority and I knew I was getting interviews not because of my resume but because "the man" said someone had to interview me... not sure how I'd respond to that.

I'm also of the opinion that just as there are teams who may not interview minority coaches, there are also minority coaches who would never interview for certain teams.

And I also believe that the racism we're most familiar with in this country, that of exclusion and segregation, is also arrived at when the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. That being forced inclusion (requiring the interview process to include minorities) and integration (putting minority children on a school bus to attend an all-white school 20 miles away).


Why dont other sports like MLB & NBA need Rooney Rules? The NFL has to "force" itself to consider candidates who arent white. The other leagues dont seem to have that issue. And its not like the majority of execs and coaches in those leagues aint white, cuz they are, but there are more opportunities given and less of the "I just feel more comfortable with my own kind" sentiment you see in the NFL.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

Problem is Kurby, I'm not the only person saying these things or bringing up this issue. You're tying to make it a "King Taharqa" thing when you've got organizations including the NFL talking about this.

You're not african american, you're not raising any african americans in your household so why do you even care?

Why shouldn't I care ? Is the fight for inequality limited to African Americans ?

How does this affect you?

How does it affect you? Have you been passed over for an NFL job on the basis of skin color?



Why does instinct say a foot forward for blacks mean a step backward for whites?

Why did you imply hiring blacks means you're lowering your standards or hiring some unqualified?

Where did I explicitly say that ?


You came with an emotional over the top sarcastic response because just the mere mention of race makes you walk on eggshells and puts you on the defense.

Where am I on eggshells ? Why would you assume I was? Am I now considered racist b/c I have disagreed with your comments ?


Why are you so uncomfortable talking about it?

What are you even talking about? Are you projecting a preconceived notion about me based on my skin color ? Is a white person banned from speaking on this subject ?


Why are you so quick to lock threads?

Mainly b/c I am an asshole, not sure that pertains to this subject.


If you're scared, if you feel you cant defend or speak intelligently on a subject why even respond?

Who's scared? Does an opposing view point upset you so much that this is all you have to reply with ?

Aren't you a mod?

Nope, Admin.


There are plenty of minorities who aren't hired in hockey or baseball or NASCAR other things like golf. Have you ever seen me make a thread about that or speak on it?

Nope, you don't strike me as a big fan of those sports, but if you are, feel free.



But those sports don't rely on the bodies and labor of african americans the way the NFL does, so of course its an issue. Just because the issue doesn't affect you and you cant relate at all doesn't mean that that's the same for other people.


Oh yes the poor helpless NFL player. Let us lament over their struggles. Tell me How you relate to a young multimilliare, or a struggling practice squad player. You have as much in common with Vince Wilfork as I do with Matt Birk.

But keep playing, I'm bored at work and can do this pretty much nonstop.

Or until I get bored and lock the thread as it has done what you wanted it to do, attract attention.
You're welcome for that btw.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

ya Kurb... a racist? doesn't he have an Asian spouse?!!!!!

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

Why shouldn't I care ? Is the fight for inequality limited to African Americans ?


Your "two brothers" comment didnt come off as fighting for inequality. Just using over the top sarcasm to deflect from a serious issue thats being discussed nationally right now because it obviously made you uncomfortable. If a person make a post in the Tinderbox about women's rights or some asian guy feels he was fired unjustly, Im not gonna go in there passionately and lampoon the topic. But that is exactly what you do every time which makes it seem like you have something invested. So again I ask, how does this exactly affect you?


How does it affect you? Have you been passed over for an NFL job on the basis of skin color?


No I have not, I am not an NFL exec. But my nephew who plays QB may decide to become one one day. His son may decide he wants to one day. Just like you and Zod want your kids to have every opportunity afforded to them, so do I mine. Yet you lampoon me when I try to do that and call me "militant" for it. The fact this board has always grossly underrepresented the black portion of the Carolina Panthers fanbase is probably why you share this view. Thats why I stand out on this forum, yet in the real world and other sports forums I go to, I dont.

Where did I explicitly say that ?


You hinted that I just wanted to hire black people for the sake of hiring black people. Which pretty much implied they were not qualified. That was a very self serving perspective Kurb.

Where am I on eggshells ? Why would you assume I was? Am I now considered racist b/c I have disagreed with your comments ?


You're on eggshells because you let white dudes go on long spills about eugenics and whatever jargon was in them threads last week and didnt feel a need to "set them straight" the way you always seem to do with me or even appear in the thread. But let me make a thread about topic currently being discussed and here comes Captain-Save-A-Kurb to the rescue with over the top sarcasm to deflect from something he's uncomfortable with.

What are you even talking about? Are you projecting a preconceived notion about me based on my skin color ? Is a white person banned from speaking on this subject ?


You're the one who implied I was saying just hire black people just to hire them. So you projected a preconceived notion towards me. You put words in my mouth. I wouldnt say a white person is banned from this subject. But on this board its always gonna be 1 (me) against 5 or 1 against 20. There just arent enough blacks represented on this board to get an open honest discussion. Thats why its cheesy seeing a thread that revolves around a black issue (in Tinderbox for example) and not a single black person in there to speak on it. Thats very self serving and "safe" for some on this board.

Who's scared? Does an opposing view point upset you so much that this is all you have to reply with ?


Kurb you run from the topic of race all the time. You're scared. Its OK. You're obviously not equipped to discuss it or not comfortable. Some people fight, some people hide under the bed. You hide under the bed, but thats cool, you're not an AFRICAN AMERICAN so you have that luxury, use it. Maybe if you were an AFRICAN AMERICAN you'd understand hiding under the bed isnt always an option. Im not gonna beat you up about that though.


Nope, Admin.


Then act like it. Why not bring intelligent discussion instead of lame over the top sarcasm?

Nope, you don't strike me as a big fan of those sports, but if you are, feel free.


I'm not and could care less. But if 90% of NASCAR was black and all the owners and people behind the scenes were white, I'd say the same thing, its a modern day plantation.

Oh yes the poor helpless NFL player. Let us lament over their struggles. Tell me How you relate to a young multimilliare, or a struggling practice squad player. You have as much in common with Vince Wilfork as I do with Matt Birk.


I can relate to people assuming Im not qualified for something or less intelligent simply because Im black.

But keep playing, I'm bored at work and can do this pretty much nonstop.

Or until I get bored and lock the thread as it has done what you wanted it to do, attract attention.
You're welcome for that btw.


I notice you still havent commented on the topic at hand. Its hard to defend the indefensible ehh? You're still deflecting.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

ya Kurb... a racist? doesn't he have an Asian spouse?!!!!!


Racism apparently can only be inflicted upon black people.

I actually saw an article that said Rivera didn't count as a minority head coach....why? He's a minority and a head coach. Seemed pretty odd.

The worst racism that exists in america today is black racism towards latinos.

and KT, you've been looking for some profound reason that blacks have been persecuted over the years and it's an obvious answer that is the sole motivator for most men regardless of race....

....penis envy.


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