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#41 King Taharqa

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

By creating the Rooney Rule, the NFL is all but admitting there is an issue with respect to interviewing minorities. I suppose the first conclusion or assumption one could make is that this is an act of racism. Maybe I'm not in the right position to make this call, but I must say, if I was a minority and I knew I was getting interviews not because of my resume but because "the man" said someone had to interview me... not sure how I'd respond to that.

I'm also of the opinion that just as there are teams who may not interview minority coaches, there are also minority coaches who would never interview for certain teams.

And I also believe that the racism we're most familiar with in this country, that of exclusion and segregation, is also arrived at when the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. That being forced inclusion (requiring the interview process to include minorities) and integration (putting minority children on a school bus to attend an all-white school 20 miles away).


Why dont other sports like MLB & NBA need Rooney Rules? The NFL has to "force" itself to consider candidates who arent white. The other leagues dont seem to have that issue. And its not like the majority of execs and coaches in those leagues aint white, cuz they are, but there are more opportunities given and less of the "I just feel more comfortable with my own kind" sentiment you see in the NFL.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

Problem is Kurby, I'm not the only person saying these things or bringing up this issue. You're tying to make it a "King Taharqa" thing when you've got organizations including the NFL talking about this.

You're not african american, you're not raising any african americans in your household so why do you even care?

Why shouldn't I care ? Is the fight for inequality limited to African Americans ?

How does this affect you?

How does it affect you? Have you been passed over for an NFL job on the basis of skin color?



Why does instinct say a foot forward for blacks mean a step backward for whites?

Why did you imply hiring blacks means you're lowering your standards or hiring some unqualified?

Where did I explicitly say that ?


You came with an emotional over the top sarcastic response because just the mere mention of race makes you walk on eggshells and puts you on the defense.

Where am I on eggshells ? Why would you assume I was? Am I now considered racist b/c I have disagreed with your comments ?


Why are you so uncomfortable talking about it?

What are you even talking about? Are you projecting a preconceived notion about me based on my skin color ? Is a white person banned from speaking on this subject ?


Why are you so quick to lock threads?

Mainly b/c I am an asshole, not sure that pertains to this subject.


If you're scared, if you feel you cant defend or speak intelligently on a subject why even respond?

Who's scared? Does an opposing view point upset you so much that this is all you have to reply with ?

Aren't you a mod?

Nope, Admin.


There are plenty of minorities who aren't hired in hockey or baseball or NASCAR other things like golf. Have you ever seen me make a thread about that or speak on it?

Nope, you don't strike me as a big fan of those sports, but if you are, feel free.



But those sports don't rely on the bodies and labor of african americans the way the NFL does, so of course its an issue. Just because the issue doesn't affect you and you cant relate at all doesn't mean that that's the same for other people.


Oh yes the poor helpless NFL player. Let us lament over their struggles. Tell me How you relate to a young multimilliare, or a struggling practice squad player. You have as much in common with Vince Wilfork as I do with Matt Birk.

But keep playing, I'm bored at work and can do this pretty much nonstop.

Or until I get bored and lock the thread as it has done what you wanted it to do, attract attention.
You're welcome for that btw.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

ya Kurb... a racist? doesn't he have an Asian spouse?!!!!!

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

Why shouldn't I care ? Is the fight for inequality limited to African Americans ?


Your "two brothers" comment didnt come off as fighting for inequality. Just using over the top sarcasm to deflect from a serious issue thats being discussed nationally right now because it obviously made you uncomfortable. If a person make a post in the Tinderbox about women's rights or some asian guy feels he was fired unjustly, Im not gonna go in there passionately and lampoon the topic. But that is exactly what you do every time which makes it seem like you have something invested. So again I ask, how does this exactly affect you?


How does it affect you? Have you been passed over for an NFL job on the basis of skin color?


No I have not, I am not an NFL exec. But my nephew who plays QB may decide to become one one day. His son may decide he wants to one day. Just like you and Zod want your kids to have every opportunity afforded to them, so do I mine. Yet you lampoon me when I try to do that and call me "militant" for it. The fact this board has always grossly underrepresented the black portion of the Carolina Panthers fanbase is probably why you share this view. Thats why I stand out on this forum, yet in the real world and other sports forums I go to, I dont.

Where did I explicitly say that ?


You hinted that I just wanted to hire black people for the sake of hiring black people. Which pretty much implied they were not qualified. That was a very self serving perspective Kurb.

Where am I on eggshells ? Why would you assume I was? Am I now considered racist b/c I have disagreed with your comments ?


You're on eggshells because you let white dudes go on long spills about eugenics and whatever jargon was in them threads last week and didnt feel a need to "set them straight" the way you always seem to do with me or even appear in the thread. But let me make a thread about topic currently being discussed and here comes Captain-Save-A-Kurb to the rescue with over the top sarcasm to deflect from something he's uncomfortable with.

What are you even talking about? Are you projecting a preconceived notion about me based on my skin color ? Is a white person banned from speaking on this subject ?


You're the one who implied I was saying just hire black people just to hire them. So you projected a preconceived notion towards me. You put words in my mouth. I wouldnt say a white person is banned from this subject. But on this board its always gonna be 1 (me) against 5 or 1 against 20. There just arent enough blacks represented on this board to get an open honest discussion. Thats why its cheesy seeing a thread that revolves around a black issue (in Tinderbox for example) and not a single black person in there to speak on it. Thats very self serving and "safe" for some on this board.

Who's scared? Does an opposing view point upset you so much that this is all you have to reply with ?


Kurb you run from the topic of race all the time. You're scared. Its OK. You're obviously not equipped to discuss it or not comfortable. Some people fight, some people hide under the bed. You hide under the bed, but thats cool, you're not an AFRICAN AMERICAN so you have that luxury, use it. Maybe if you were an AFRICAN AMERICAN you'd understand hiding under the bed isnt always an option. Im not gonna beat you up about that though.


Nope, Admin.


Then act like it. Why not bring intelligent discussion instead of lame over the top sarcasm?

Nope, you don't strike me as a big fan of those sports, but if you are, feel free.


I'm not and could care less. But if 90% of NASCAR was black and all the owners and people behind the scenes were white, I'd say the same thing, its a modern day plantation.

Oh yes the poor helpless NFL player. Let us lament over their struggles. Tell me How you relate to a young multimilliare, or a struggling practice squad player. You have as much in common with Vince Wilfork as I do with Matt Birk.


I can relate to people assuming Im not qualified for something or less intelligent simply because Im black.

But keep playing, I'm bored at work and can do this pretty much nonstop.

Or until I get bored and lock the thread as it has done what you wanted it to do, attract attention.
You're welcome for that btw.


I notice you still havent commented on the topic at hand. Its hard to defend the indefensible ehh? You're still deflecting.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

ya Kurb... a racist? doesn't he have an Asian spouse?!!!!!


Racism apparently can only be inflicted upon black people.

I actually saw an article that said Rivera didn't count as a minority head coach....why? He's a minority and a head coach. Seemed pretty odd.

The worst racism that exists in america today is black racism towards latinos.

and KT, you've been looking for some profound reason that blacks have been persecuted over the years and it's an obvious answer that is the sole motivator for most men regardless of race....

....penis envy.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Your "two brothers" comment didnt come off as fighting for inequality. Just using over the top sarcasm to deflect from a serious issue thats being discussed nationally right now because it obviously made you uncomfortable. If a person make a post in the Tinderbox about women's rights or some asian guy feels he was fired unjustly, Im not gonna go in there passionately and lampoon the topic. But that is exactly what you do every time which makes it seem like you have something invested. So again I ask, how does this exactly affect you?


Here is the trick. About twice a month you start a thread like this. Pounding on some drum about Black guy does this better, white guy isn't that great, etc etc. You thrive, wallow and relish the subject of racism, to a fault You are getting to the point you see it even when it isn't actually there. Up and to the point you are now whining "it's me against 20 other posters! You need to have a look in the mirror as to why so many flock these shitthreads and bait you out in other threads. While I have tolerated and even sometimes defended your points I get tired of it. Every thing is not some vast Rich White Man conspiracy to hold back blacks and before you deny that I can easily pull up every thread you have made and show you post by post where that can be taken out of your comments/threads. Forgive me if I feel the need you call you out on your hypocrisy when you dance a little dance that your president is Black, just for the sake of him being Black. These very actions are counter productive to the very thing you wish to fight.


No I have not, I am not an NFL exec. But my nephew who plays QB may decide to become one one day. His son may decide he wants to one day. Just like you and Zod want your kids to have every opportunity afforded to them, so do I mine. Yet you lampoon me when I try to do that and call me "militant" for it. The fact this board has always grossly underrepresented the black portion of the Carolina Panthers fanbase is probably why you share this view. Thats why I stand out on this forum, yet in the real world and other sports forums I go to, I dont.

I agree everyone should have the same opprotunity, EVERYONE
I have no idea wtf you are even talking with the rest of this. How do you know who is what color, why do you even care?


You hinted that I just wanted to hire black people for the sake of hiring black people. Which pretty much implied they were not qualified. That was a very self serving perspective Kurb.

So I hinted and implied. So you are assuming what I intended ? Please.




You're on eggshells because you let white dudes go on long spills about eugenics and whatever jargon was in them threads last week and didn't feel a need to "set them straight" the way you always seem to do with me or even appear in the thread. But let me make a thread about topic currently being discussed and here comes Captain-Save-A-Kurb to the rescue with over the top sarcasm to deflect from something he's uncomfortable with.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. As for letting things go on? I banned someone just today for mentioning he didn't like the 13th amendment. Like I said before, my conscience is BEYOND clear on this subject. I'll talk about race and equality with anyone most anywhere. I choose to see people as what they are, not how much light they do or do not reflect off their skin.




edited see above . There just aren't enough blacks represented on this board to get an open honest discussion. That's why its cheesy seeing a thread that revolves around a black issue (in Tinderbox for example) and not a single black person in there to speak on it. That's very self serving and "safe" for some on this board.

How exactly do you know who is black and who isn't? I surely don't.



Kurb you run from the topic of race all the time. You're scared. Its OK. You're obviously not equipped to discuss it or not comfortable. Some people fight, some people hide under the bed. You hide under the bed, but that's cool, you're not an AFRICAN AMERICAN so you have that luxury, use it. Maybe if you were an AFRICAN AMERICAN you'd understand hiding under the bed isn't always an option. I'm not gonna beat you up about that though.

Show me where? Who exactly are you fighting here? Hide under my bed ? Please. You want me to be scared to engage this subject. It makes your propaganda easier to push. The good points you actually make are washed away in the sea of bullshit you have created by exaggerating and projecting racism on people who may simply disagree with part of your ideas.





Then act like it. Why not bring intelligent discussion instead of lame over the top sarcasm?

Have we just met?




I'm not and could care less. But if 90% of NASCAR was black and all the owners and people behind the scenes were white, I'd say the same thing, its a modern day plantation.

I can not think of a more disrespectful comparison than the one you just made. That's disgusting.




I can relate to people assuming Im not qualified for something or less intelligent simply because Im black.

Funny I can do the same b/c I am white. Your responses to many posters on this board over the years could say the same. Or the time me and my Hispanic friend ran into trouble in college with the wrong types over his race, or the time me and my wife couldn't get service b/c she is asian, or the times I have basically been asked to leave clubs because of my race. But YOU stay in your safe box of irrationality that you and yours are the only people to ever have some hardship based on how you look.


I notice you still havent commented on the topic at hand. Its hard to defend the indefensible ehh? You're still deflecting


What % do you want hired as coaches ? GMs?
Diversity is a good thing, I said that earlier.
Caldwell is going to the SuperBowl, teams usually don't wait that long to hire a HC.
But that fact doesn't support your narrative so it is ignored.

I don't know how to fix it. I am a believer of the "best man gets the job" I give zero shits about his skin color. If he is the best man he gets the job.
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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

No black brothers have coached against each other in the Super Bowl.
Only white brothers.

This is obviously racism.


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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

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Birth Brothers :P

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

Your earlier comment made me think of this, Kurb lol

NFL Hall of Fame cornerback Deion Sanders could soon be catching heat for some comments he made on the NFL Network following the Baltimore Ravens securing their place in Super Bowl XLVII against the San Francisco 49ers. The matchup pins brothers against one another — head coach Jim and John Harbaugh.

While Sanders was making his comments, he downplayed the historical significance of the brother vs. brother matchup with a little humor.

Sanders said that the Harbaugh Super Bowl is actually the second “Bro Bowl.” Umm, what? Sanders says that the matchup in Super Bowl XLI between Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith was the first meeting of “brothers” in the big game.

Yeah, Sanders went there.

Here is video of Sanders’ comments on the NFL Network set:

Rich Eisen, who was the only white man on the panel, was clearly uncomfortable with Sanders’ comments but it made for an entertaining moment on the set. There should really be no uproar over Sanders’ attempt at humor, but in today’s society it wouldn’t be surprising to see some people make a big deal out of nothing.

But hey, if this is in fact “Bro Bowl II,” I guess doubters of the Rooney Rule can take a step back and enjoy the progress we are seeing with another meeting of brothers in the big game.
http://fansided.com/...-is-bro-bowl-2/



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Posted 22 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Ask yourself this: Why aren't there any white RBs or Corners?

Take that same logic

Apply it to the question: Why aren't there any black head coaches or OCs?

Done


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