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#91 Hawk

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

well Hoplomachus...nobody has yet to prove to me that it is actually a problem!

is there any fact out there that proves black coaches are better? if I'm running the organization, I want the best damn person in the position, regardless of color. All I've heard is that potentially the entire NFL, every owner and every general manager is a racist and that's why there are no black coaches, and I personally think that's a little tough to believe.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

My point about the lack of black QB coaches and OCs is it speaks to the problem that people don't feel blacks are capable of leading on the offensive side of the ball.


I can see that being a pereception, so I'm with you so far.

And having more would help those QBs transition. It might also help coaches learn how to use these QBs properly, because its seemed like they are just now starting to learn how. Having someone who might've been in the same situation before or maybe can relate to them more would help. I feel alot of these OCs and QB coaches "stick with what they know" and who they are most comfortable with which isnt always whats best for the game of football. There's a plethora of black DCs and position coaches and if you talk to the players, some of those coaches have helped them tremendously grow and get better at their respective positions. Not having that on the offensive side of the ball explains to me why people felt reluctant or at least questioned could a black person "grasp" offense.[/


This is where I'm not sure I'm with you. Are you saying that any coach with an offensive background that happens to be african american would be a better coach than a white one? Even if their background is say, as an offensive lineman or a running back? A lot of the better QB coaches to me are guys who have played the position, hence why a guy like Jim Harbaugh has succeeded with both white and black QBs. At the same time if you're saying you need black position coaches to get the most out of black players, I think that would sell short what minority coaches could do with white QBs. We'll find out this fall when Pep Hamilton gets to work with Andrew Luck.

As more minority QBs comes through the game (both at the collegiate and the pro level) the pendulum will end up swinging the other way is my opininon. As to people's perception of QBs, a lot of it has to do with media hype about "smarts". I know you're not a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck fan, so you know what I mean by that.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

This is where I'm not sure I'm with you. Are you saying that any coach with an offensive background that happens to be african american would be a better coach than a white one?


Not necessarily, but having more coaches who just might have the experience of being a black QB in the NFL before would be more beneficial to players who play that position. Because that experience is different and black QBs are asked to do different things, having a coach or OC with that experience would help.

Even if their background is say, as an offensive lineman or a running back? A lot of the better QB coaches to me are guys who have played the position, hence why a guy like Jim Harbaugh has succeeded with both white and black QBs. At the same time if you're saying you need black position coaches to get the most out of black players, I think that would sell short what minority coaches could do with white QBs. We'll find out this fall when Pep Hamilton gets to work with Andrew Luck.

As more minority QBs comes through the game (both at the collegiate and the pro level) the pendulum will end up swinging the other way is my opininon. As to people's perception of QBs, a lot of it has to do with media hype about "smarts". I know you're not a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck fan, so you know what I mean by that.


Interesting thing about Luck & Manning. Both are hailed for their "smarts" and "genius" because they are 2nd generation players who's fathers both played in the NFL. Archie Manning was a pro bowl QB, Oliver Luck is also a former NFL QB, former GM and long time NFL exec. So again, my point having someone you can relate to who's been there and experienced what you experience is invaluable and sure does make things a lot easier. I dont think Andrew or Peyton would be the players they are or have the "status" they do had both their dads worked for UPS and Costco growing up and not been former QBs and NFL associates.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:27 AM

"smarts" and "genius"...

why in quotations?

It's so funny that the most racist person on this board is the one who spends his day telling everyone how racist they are.

You call people, who disagree with you, hicks and rednecks yet say that people are racist for using the word thug (which i agree with). Just shows you're a pathetic hypocrite. You have yet to address Bob Johnson's well documented hiring practices but that's because it's different for you. It doesn't make you feel victimized and you aren't smart enough to see that it actually supports your "Racism is still prominent" argument, just not in the way you want it to.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

It's so funny that the most racist person on this board is the one who spends his day telling everyone how racist they are.


Hey Zod, admins, I thought posts like this got you a 1 week ban. Or is that only if you are black? All this to deflect from the topic at hand. Sports Digest had a great article on this yesterday.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

Sports Digest had a great article on this yesterday.


link?

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:08 AM

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OWINGS MILLS, Md. (AP) -- Jim Caldwell enjoys his job as offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, and he's quite good at it.

Before taking over in early December Caldwell had never held the position at any level - yet the Ravens' attack has flourished under his direction. Quarterback Joe Flacco has looked sharp, the play-calling has been unpredictable and Baltimore has scored 90 points in three playoff games to earn a berth in the Super Bowl.

Caldwell's success prompted head coach John Harbaugh to ask him to retain the post in 2013. Caldwell appreciates the opportunity, but has no intention of making ''Offensive Coordinator, Baltimore Ravens'' the last line on his resume.

The 58-year-old Caldwell wants to be a head coach. He did it in Indianapolis from 2009-11, and is itching for another crack at the top job in his profession.

''At some point in time, if the Lord wills it, I'd love to be able to do it again,'' Caldwell said Friday. ''But it may not happen. Everybody in our profession is looking for an opportunity to run their own program, and I'm no different than anybody else in that regard.''

Caldwell might have gotten the chance to at least interview for an opening if he wasn't so busy helping the Ravens earn a date with San Francisco in the Super Bowl next Sunday.

''I had a couple of GMs tell me, 'If it weren't for your guys' success in the playoffs and continuing to play, then he would have been someone we would have interviewed,'' Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome said. ''Hopefully next year we're in the same spot, and it will be tough for him to get interviews again. Really, though, I can see him getting that opportunity a year from now.''

Caldwell certainly is a viable candidate for a head coaching job. He took the Colts to the Super Bowl in 2009 and was instrumental in the development of quarterback Peyton Manning. He's also provided the Baltimore offense with a boost after replacing the fired Cam Cameron on Dec. 10.

Some coaches are fiery. Some break clipboards to get a player's attention. Caldwell does none of that.
''Man, he is so humble, laid back,'' Baltimore receiver Jacoby Jones said. ''But he's a smart man. He reads a lot of books, gives you a lot of quotes. He's so diverse.''

The NFL's Rooney Rule was designed to provide diversity among NFL head coaches and GMs, but if Caldwell - an African American with impressive credentials - can't get an interview, then maybe it's time to fix the process.

''I do think that it's something that certainly needs to be revisited, and is going to be revisited,'' Caldwell said. ''I'm not one of the individuals that started that particular drive to do so. There's been a lot of very intelligent men that have looked at this thing and talked about it in depth, so I think that's going to happen.

In the meantime, Caldwell is preparing for the Super Bowl while dozens of other coaches are at home looking forward to next year. So, despite not getting an interview, he has no regrets.

''None whatsoever. I'd certainly rather be right where I am right now, with you asking me this question,'' he said. ''It just doesn't happen that often in your career to be fortunate enough to have this opportunity. I'm thankful. The other things, they'll take care of themselves somewhere down the road.''

Caldwell deserves plenty of credit for Baltimore's surprising run to the Super Bowl. In the six games since he's taken over, the Ravens have averaged 26.2 points and 406.2 yards of offense. During the playoffs, Baltimore has scored touchdowns on eight of 10 trips inside the opponent's 20-yard line.

''What coach Caldwell has done has kept the offense simple and basic,'' running back Ray Rice said. ''He put the game into Joe Flacco's hands, and Joe has done a great job - phenomenal job - of leading us to where we needed to be. We are right here where we want to be right now.''

And maybe, so is Caldwell. For now, anyway. He expressed genuine appreciation and thanks Friday when talking about being asked to return in 2013.

''I'm excited about it. Certainly very honored and humbled as well,'' he said. ''It's a great opportunity for me, in particular working within this organization. I'm looking forward to it, but right now I'm looking forward to this next ball game we've got coming up. That's the most important thing.''


http://sports.yahoo....01891--nfl.html

There are several other articles and comments that have popped up over the week over this subject. All critical of the NFL's "good ole boy" network that rejects diversity and anything that isnt white. It seems the "this only matters to King Taharqa" crowd was wrong.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:00 AM

BS thread.

Stigma stuff won't cut it in the NFL any longer. Black QB's, Both coaches in a Super Bowl were black. At some point, you will have to take the chip off your shoulder and not see "everything" through your stigma glasses. At some point, producing, winning and losing will have an effect on your job and ability to get one.

Not many guys in the NFL are long for their positions, no matter the color.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:40 AM

BS thread.

Stigma stuff won't cut it in the NFL any longer. Black QB's, Both coaches in a Super Bowl were black. At some point, you will have to take the chip off your shoulder and not see "everything" through your stigma glasses. At some point, producing, winning and losing will have an effect on your job and ability to get one.

Not many guys in the NFL are long for their positions, no matter the color.


The eternal, constant buzzword around the hiring of non-whites to any positions of leadership and authority in the NFL, in every other sport and in every walk of American life, is “qualified.” Oh, where can we find “qualified” minority candidates? What kind of plan, system or program can we put in place to uncover those “qualified” coaches who are so hidden from view?

"It's about perception. It's not about qualifications. There are no objective standards,’’ said Kellen Winslow, Hall of Fame tight end and former executive director of the Fritz Pollard Alliance.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

Lovie Smith, meet Marty Schotenhiemer. Winning coaches, but could not make the big one, so, bye.

Just because you beat the same drum that has been beating for the last 50 years, does not mean its tune rings true.

Blacks have made it. Sorry to burst your bubble. Now, they will be like all other coaches, win or get fired.

Oh, and by the way, people here are not calling for Rivera's head because he is not white, it is because we sucked. Win or go home.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:04 AM

I don't get the "NFL is 40 years behind the rest of the world" part.


Most sports of this type, except for maybe hockey, don't seem to have the sort of racial issues when it comes to hiring well qualified men of other races to top jobs in their sport. I think that was his point.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

Lovie Smith, meet Marty Schotenhiemer. Winning coaches, but could not make the big one, so, bye.

Just because you beat the same drum that has been beating for the last 50 years, does not mean its tune rings true.

Blacks have made it. Sorry to burst your bubble. Now, they will be like all other coaches, win or get fired.

Oh, and by the way, people here are not calling for Rivera's head because he is not white, it is because we sucked. Win or go home.


Maybe it's you who need to look a littler further than just skin color to make your defensive argument against the OP point. Lovie and Marty situation may look the same on the surface but in reality their stories are different.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

Maybe it's you who need to look a littler further than just skin color to make your defensive argument against the OP point. Lovie and Marty situation may look the same on the surface but in reality their stories are different.


Then why stop there, why not enlighten us all with the differences.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Lovie Smith, meet Marty Schotenhiemer. Winning coaches, but could not make the big one, so, bye.

Just because you beat the same drum that has been beating for the last 50 years, does not mean its tune rings true.

Blacks have made it. Sorry to burst your bubble. Now, they will be like all other coaches, win or get fired.

Oh, and by the way, people here are not calling for Rivera's head because he is not white, it is because we sucked. Win or go home.


john fox is actually the closest thing to a modern day schottenheimer btw

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

Problem with this statement is it's only going one way. I guess white people need to complain that there aren't enough white running back's and wide receiver's in the NFL.


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