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#106 King Taharqa

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:01 PM

Problem with this statement is it's only going one way. I guess white people need to complain that there aren't enough white running back's and wide receiver's in the NFL.


If they felt that the league was discriminating against them due to their race and not performance or ability they should complain. If they felt the league wouldnt even give them a look due to their race and not their performance or ability they should complain. By the way, there are more white RBs and WRs in the NFL RIGHT NOW than there are black Offensive Coordinators and QB coaches.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:58 PM

If they felt that the league was discriminating against them due to their race and not performance or ability they should complain. If they felt the league wouldnt even give them a look due to their race and not their performance or ability they should complain. By the way, there are more white RBs and WRs in the NFL RIGHT NOW than there are black Offensive Coordinators and QB coaches.


First: There are more white running back and wide receivers because most teams carry three or sometimes for, if you are going to look at that stat objectively you need to look at percentages.

Second: Who says white people don't make better coaches? You can make a brood statement then use circular reason to prove your point.

By the way, I'm not racist and I am all for civil rights. I just like to see the best candidates for the job obtain it.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

First: There are more white running back and wide receivers because most teams carry three or sometimes for, if you are going to look at that stat objectively you need to look at percentages.


There is a higher percentage of white RBs and white WRs ACTIVE in the NFL right now than there are black OCs and QB coaches. And as stated earlier in this thread, at one point every RB and WR was white in the NFL. There's never been a point where the majority of your OCs and QB coaches were black.

Second: Who says white people don't make better coaches? You can make a brood statement then use circular reason to prove your point.


2 points. 1st, we dont know if they make better coaches or not because a lot of NFL GMs and execs don't hire anything but and will only interview white people for OC & QB coaching jobs. So we have nothing to compare them to.

2nd, if that were true, why doesnt it hold true on defense? We have a plethora of minorities coaching on that side of the ball and some are the best in the business. Does one's melanin dictate how much they know OFFENSE? Because you just dont see it being "all white" on that side of the football as far as coaching goes.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

Yes CarolinaPanthers8789 please do tell more about the white mans struggles and injustices in the NFL.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

One thing you don't realize is a a lot of these black coaches mainly positional coaches have played the game at the NFL level, which actually makes them better teachers (positional coaches) but when it comes to x's and o's (head coaching jobs), the white coaches tend to be superior.

So essentially with wanting all head coaches black, a lot of you want to run the white race out of football.

I don't see white people complaining about the lack of TRUE white American's in the NBA. You know why? Because we realize we aren't as good of athlete's/basketball players as the black race.

Sometimes it's just difficult to accept that white people are better than black people at some things and black people are better than white things at something.

Also there are no white running back's that start, all of them are behind the scene, for the most part their are no black offense coordinators, most of them are behind the scene (positional coaches). It goes both ways.

When every race starts to accept it's not a one way road and you have to give and take (like the Panthers did with hiring Rivera) a little then things will eventually sort themselves out.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:08 AM

just going to add that I disagree that being a former player automatically makes you a better coach....just my opinion

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

One thing you don't realize is a a lot of these black coaches mainly positional coaches have played the game at the NFL level, which actually makes them better teachers (positional coaches) but when it comes to x's and o's (head coaching jobs), the white coaches tend to be superior.


And you're basing this off of? Mike McCoy automatically is a better x and o guy than Mike Tomlin because he's white? How did Mike Tomlin beat Ken Whisenhunt in the Super Bowl? Shouldnt the white guy be superior? How did Jim Caldwell get his offenses to outperform Denvers & New Englands?

So essentially with wanting all head coaches black, a lot of you want to run the white race out of football.


Strawman logic. 1 black person's opportunity=the end of the white race. Making white people "compete" for jobs automatically means we want them eradicated entirely. Your argument is very over the top. If you are "superior" why so afraid of "competition"?

I don't see white people complaining about the lack of TRUE white American's in the NBA. You know why? Because we realize we aren't as good of athlete's/basketball players as the black race.


I bet Kevin Love would disagree with you. And just because someone is born of a particular race does not AUTOMATICALLY make them superior to another person.

Sometimes it's just difficult to accept that white people are better than black people at some things and black people are better than white things at something.


Does this logic apply to Keek? Is it safe to say he'll never be as good as James Anderson or Beason because he's a white guy playing a position that blacks are "just better at"? See the slippery slope we go down when we "generalize" a race as being superior to another with no basis or facts behind our argument. This is also the logic people used towards the QB position that whites were "naturally" better so they reasoned that Clausen & Moore were "safer" bets and more cerebal than Cam. Since Cam was given an opportunity to showcase his talents, we no longer see people clinging to this eugenic ideal. 2 years ago it was "black QBs dont go to the Super Bowl", now we have people championing Colin Kaepernick. If given an opportunity I think these black OCs, QB coaches, and head coaches would do better than you're portraying.

Also there are no white running back's that start, all of them are behind the scene, for the most part their are no black offense coordinators, most of them are behind the scene (positional coaches). It goes both ways.


Your original argument was none existed. Now its "none start". And there are white WRs who DO start and have a presence in the NFL in 2013. The same cant be said for black ocs and Qb coaches

When every race starts to accept it's not a one way road and you have to give and take (like the Panthers did with hiring Rivera) a little then things will eventually sort themselves out.


what?

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

just going to add that I disagree that being a former player automatically makes you a better coach....just my opinion


I don't think it automatically makes you a better coach, but it definitely gives you a leg up.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:35 PM

And you're basing this off of? Mike McCoy automatically is a better x and o guy than Mike Tomlin because he's white? How did Mike Tomlin beat Ken Whisenhunt in the Super Bowl? Shouldnt the white guy be superior? How did Jim Caldwell get his offenses to outperform Denvers & New Englands?



Strawman logic. 1 black person's opportunity=the end of the white race. Making white people "compete" for jobs automatically means we want them eradicated entirely. Your argument is very over the top. If you are "superior" why so afraid of "competition"?



I bet Kevin Love would disagree with you. And just because someone is born of a particular race does not AUTOMATICALLY make them superior to another person.



Does this logic apply to Keek? Is it safe to say he'll never be as good as James Anderson or Beason because he's a white guy playing a position that blacks are "just better at"? See the slippery slope we go down when we "generalize" a race as being superior to another with no basis or facts behind our argument. This is also the logic people used towards the QB position that whites were "naturally" better so they reasoned that Clausen & Moore were "safer" bets and more cerebal than Cam. Since Cam was given an opportunity to showcase his talents, we no longer see people clinging to this eugenic ideal. 2 years ago it was "black QBs dont go to the Super Bowl", now we have people championing Colin Kaepernick. If given an opportunity I think these black OCs, QB coaches, and head coaches would do better than you're portraying.



Your original argument was none existed. Now its "none start". And there are white WRs who DO start and have a presence in the NFL in 2013. The same cant be said for black ocs and Qb coaches



what?


Just my opinion KT, mainly cause I have seen your posts before, but most of the time you turn things into a race argument when there doesn't need to be one. For every example you have given me, I can give you at least five that go against your opinion. The race of black coaches to white coaches in the NFL is actually pretty close but because there is not a black man that is leading an offense on a team you get upset. I could easily get upset that there are no starting running backs who are white but I don't because I realize for the most part the best running backs are already starting. Sure there are some black coaches that deserve to be HC's and OC's but for the most part they get the same interview that everyone else does. When you start to make teams hire a certain race is when the NFL becomes more about race than football.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

Right now Jimmy Caldwell's O >>>>>>>>>> Jimmy Harbough's O.

Flacco just threw his 3rd TD of this game, and the 11th of the postseason, tying an NFL record. Keep in mind Flacco has 0 picks. I'd say Jim Caldwell is proving his worth in this Super Bowl.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

The league's only black Offensive Coordinator just won the Super Bowl. Congrats to Jimmy Caldwell, and congrats to Joey Flacco. 11 TDs, 0 INTs in the 2013 playoffs. You beat Luck, you beat Peyton, you beat Brady, you beat Kap. Super Bowl MVP. Job well done guys.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:56 PM

The league's only black Offensive Coordinator just won the Super Bowl. Congrats to Jimmy Caldwell, and congrats to Joey Flacco. 11 TDs, 0 INTs in the 2013 playoffs. You beat Luck, you beat Peyton, you beat Brady, you beat Kap. Super Bowl MVP. Job well done guys.

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If he repeats his success next year Jim Caldwell will get interviews for a HC gig

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:06 AM

Would it matter if he won the super bowl if he was white?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:18 AM

Would it matter if he won the super bowl if he was white?


If he were, emotionally doubt it wouldve drew a response from you. We should all be proud of Caldwell for shattering a eugenic/phrenology stereotype that only white guys are smart enough/qualified enough to be successful offensive coordinators in the NFL. That a black man can be a leader/play caller on offense the same way theyve been on defense. How appropriate this happened Black History Month.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:42 AM

If he were, emotionally doubt it wouldve drew a response from you. We should all be proud of Caldwell for shattering a eugenic/phrenology stereotype that only white guys are smart enough/qualified enough to be successful offensive coordinators in the NFL. That a black man can be a leader/play caller on offense the same way theyve been on defense. How appropriate this happened Black History Month.

Oh jesus.


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