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[ButWhysTheRumGone]

Talent wise Andy Reid had the best team in the league 2 years in a row. He went 12-20, even worse than Rivera. What has Philly done since Jim Johnson passed? Ok then...

He had the shittiest Oline last year that I have ever seen because of injuries to 4 out 5 starting olineman. Both tackles, center and a gaurd. Andy Reid is a phenomenal coach.

[Matthias]

If David Shaw left Stanford, I'm sure he would have gotten a job. In fact, if that happened and I was Jerry, I would have let Rivera go and went hard after Shaw. With all that said, I'm tired of hearing about this issue. The Rooney Rule requires that one minority HC prospect must be interviewed, but usually we always take it to mean a black man. Then when no minority HC prospects get hired, what we really mean is no black HC was hired. Why is it the black ethnicity is always at the forefront of these things? I don't hear no one arguing for asian HCs or hispanic HC prospects. I'm just tired of hearing that black people are always held back in this regard. I also hate using the terms majority and minority.

[rayzor]

*walks into thread.....looks around.....*

[Zod]

Mike Martz never got another head coach job either. Must be racist against fat douchebags.

[Matthias]

I wonder what would happen if no one speaks on this issue. I wonder what would happen if we get rid of the Rooney Rule. Would we see an all-white coaching staff and personel? If we do, then you know it's a race problem. (Again I want to point out there is only one race. Unless you know, some of you married aliens)

You see at one time there was a problem with outright discrimination, and people had to be forced to change. Now we are living in a day where that is looked down upon, and opportunity is available to everyone. The problem now is how do you get a hold of that opportunity? I would like to see what people with my skin tone do, without having the ethinicity based rules installed. After a while it does something to the mind having to hear these things over and over again. I'm much more interested in the things that bring us together, not the things that seperates us.

[CatMan72]

You mean the guy that rode Dungy's and Manning's coat tails to a SB appearance and then crashed and burned?

[King Taharqa]

The NFL needs more white running backs and Asian safeties. Maybe instead of hiring players and staff based on merit they should just fill certain positions with the best of a certain race.

In European soccer leagues they often allocate a team to have a certain number of European players, then a certain number of players from anywhere else in the world. They also have a mandatory number of Germans or Spanish, whatever the home country may be (race not considered, just nationality).

What if the NFL created a policy where a certain number of coaches, players, etc had to be white, black, asian, etc.

This is basically what blacks are asking for, only they only want it applied for their race and want to tell everyone else to screw off. That way if a lot of players are black, it's great for them and in other areas where there are a shortage of blacks, they'll never have to compete or worry because there will be mandates.

The NFL should stop using african americans for labor then. Get rid of AP, get rid of Cam, get rid of all the wideouts and fast corners. Get rid of Aldon Smith, get rid of Megatron. Lets just rely on the white athletes. Make the field look like the front office, virtually all white, with a few minorities here and there every few years. Replace all of them and lets see how popular this game is. I'm sure it'll lead off Sportscenter every night just like NASCAR and Hockey do, 2 sports that have very few blacks involved. Im sure the sport will be raking in the dough just like those 2 and wont have to worry about franchises losing money left and right. I'm sure the game will be a global phenomenon only showcasing white folks. If its so important to keep front offices only white and or its not a big deal or abnormal, why is it so important to rely on african american athletes? What you're proposing is to use blacks for labor, but shut them out of other opportunities in the game. Thats why it say its a "plantation" mentality. If the sport wasnt 75-80% black, you might have an argument.

[King Taharqa]

Of course he is a terrible coach and that is why impeccable coaches like Dungy and Harbaugh have wanted him on their staff. Those guys always fill their staff with terrible coaches.

fuging morons

Dungy & Harbough hired him because he sucks. "The Great Hype" Peyton Manning who gets bounced out the first round every year carried him. Ironic that Caldwell's offense outproduced both the Colts and Manning's Broncos to get the big dance.

[csx]

You mean the guy that rode Dungy's and Manning's coat tails to a SB appearance and then crashed and burned?

That would be the way to look at it if you are going out of your way to denigrate the guy. Or you coud say the guy Dungy brought aboard to help him win a Super Bowl and the guy John Harbaugh hired to help bring him to one. He is obviously valued as a staff member of two of the top coaches in recent history.

[Zod]

Yes, and we all know every successful coordinator makes an awesome head coach. Well, except when they are given a chance and stink it up.

[Blackmagic]

He had the shittiest Oline last year that I have ever seen because of injuries to 4 out 5 starting olineman. Both tackles, center and a gaurd. Andy Reid is a phenomenal coach.

The o-line was injured last year, but what about the year before? They had one of the best o-lines, but didn't do anything. I think that they led in sacks, but no playoffs. Reid fired Castillo, but he was a genius compared to Bowles. In the beginning of the year his defense wasn't the problem, but his offense due to the o-line and at the end, both were abysmal.

[FootballMaestro]

If David Shaw left Stanford, I'm sure he would have gotten a job. In fact, if that happened and I was Jerry, I would have let Rivera go and went hard after Shaw. With all that said, I'm tired of hearing about this issue. The Rooney Rule requires that one minority HC prospect must be interviewed, but usually we always take it to mean a black man. Then when no minority HC prospects get hired, what we really mean is no black HC was hired. Why is it the black ethnicity is always at the forefront of these things? I don't hear no one arguing for asian HCs or hispanic HC prospects. I'm just tired of hearing that black people are always held back in this regard. I also hate using the terms majority and minority.

Not to be a hard ass (since later I heard you say, "there's only one race", and your pet peeve on "black candidates"), but since you brought it up:

"Hispanic or Latino" is not a race. It's a culture, ethnicity or Geography. I know some people don't want to hear that. But it's not. You have black Latino's, White/European Latinos, Native American's, or a mixture of any of the above. And some countries (like Peru and Ecuador), even have some Asian influences, along with the others.

It all depends on what country they're from, and what strata they occupy. They're 'Black Latino's for example. And they are identified as such in their own countries when they take a census. Mexico, is mainly native American, with a small but sizable European based wealthy class and political elite.

I get your point though. Nonetheless, the majority of players and Front Office Personnel in the NFL are composed of black and whites, and that's why you'll hear people question or complain, when no qualified black candidates are hired for certain FO positions. It's a numbers vs rejection game.

[Icege]

I remember Caldwell single handedly destroying the Colts perfect season and ultimately losing the team

[FootballMaestro]

I remember Caldwell single handedly destroying the Colts perfect season and ultimately losing the team

From what I understood, that was a Bill Polian Idea, straight from the top.

I'm not getting into the Caldwell argument though.

Just an FYI

[csx]

Not to be a hard ass (since later I heard you say, "there's only one race", and your pet peeve on "black candidates"), but since you brought it up:

"Hispanic or Latino" is not a race. It's a culture, ethnicity or Geography. I know some people don't want to hear that. But it's not. You have black Latino's, White/European Latinos, Native American's, or a mixture of any of the above. And some countries (like Peru and Ecuador), even have some Asian influences, along with the others.

It all depends on what country they're from, and what strata they occupy. They're 'Black Latino's for example. And they are identified as such in their own countries when they take a census. Mexico, is mainly native American, with a small but sizable European based wealthy class and political elite.

I get your point though. Nonetheless, the majority of players and Front Office Personnel in the NFL are composed of black and whites, and that's why you'll hear people question or complain, when no qualified black candidates are hired for certain FO positions. It's a numbers vs rejection game.

American Indian are considered a race both politically and scientifically.