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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

I think in the hype over the read option, people forget that most teams in the playoffs this year did not run the read option at all. Of those teams that did, San Francisco is not really a read option team. They ran it against Green Bay because it works and the Packers didn't adjust to it. Notice that they did not run the read option more than 2 time against Atlanta. When they did Atlanta snuffed it.
You are right in saying that we shouldn't get rid of the running threat at quarterback and you might want to run a couple of times so that the threat is there. The reason that Gore had such a great day against Atlanta was because they keyed on the quarterback to the point that they ignored the running back and he just ran through them like they were not there because honestly they weren't. Don't assume that the passing attack will be old school and that we won't be creative. I think we will keep the things Newton does well which frankly is passing the ball. If the defense doesn't pay attention to him he will run and make them pay. I just think that we won't run it as a main staple because even this year teams were figuring out how to defend it. By next year I suspect teams will even have a better handle on it.
But teams that are balanced and have a passing attack and running attack are still the best. It just doesn't always have to be the quarterback doing the running.

That's the beauty of the read option, my man! Either the QB or RB is gonna eat you up because you don't have enough personnels to crash on both behind the line of scrimmage. Gore was picking up at least 5 yards per carry. Did you also notice how those receivers were running in the middle of the field whide opponent? Thanks for making my point though.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

Gettleman won't be running specific plays but from what I have read he absolutely will be involved in what the team runs and their basic philosophy. He has said in every conversation that he wants to protect the quarterback (you can read that as - beef up the line and keep him in the pocket the vast majority of the time). He is not going to want Newton running like he did this year and last. Rivera is not a big read option guy either and Shula isn't as well. So I don't know why people think that Gettleman won't influence this because he will. The read option guy is gone to Cleveland. But don't get your panties in a wad, maybe Stewart, Williams or both will finally earn their money. And Newton will still run and break big plays, it just won't be on that many designed runs.

Tell me the 10 best offenses based on yards per game and how many use the read option. Yeah that would be Washington. And people forget that they had a 1600 yard rusher and it wasn't RG3. Traditional offenses make up the large majority of successful offenses in the NFL by far.

There are only 4 read option teams in the league so if even 1 make the top of the list that's a high success rate. All 4 of them had at least top 10 offenses? And 3 made the playoffs with 1 in the superbowl. I'm not a gambling man but I would take that odd any day. And that 1600 yards morris ran came of the read option.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

You can't make the read option into some gimmick in the middle of the game. Cam should be in the pistol formation at least 70% of the time. Where the read-option give, read option keep, and play action pass can all flourish. When I watch the 9ers offense it almost look like they're cheating. In fact, if they win 3 superbowls in a row with that offense the commish might outlaw it. That's how potent it is. Even the low talent Skins looked unstoppable at times. And the seahawks was dropping 50 per. Why can't we do the same? because Cam is fragile? Come on, man!


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

Maybe the reason 'pocket passers' were winning those superbowls was because there weren't many hybrid QBs. Have you ever thought of that? Now there are 4, 3 made the playoffs and 1 in the superbowl. That says a lot. That doesn't bode well for pocket passers.



okay arron got a superbowl...he is considered a guy who can run...he leads his team in rushing alot of times.... and 49ers have a top defense so arron didnt go against collin...more like carlos rodgers and aldon smith beat him.......

like i said,,,,i have nothing against running qb buddy. its just that they tend to lean on just running when you cant do that in the nfl . when vick came back what was everyone bragging about.......on how he had became a much better pocket passer. lol that made vick way more lethal and that was his best year by a long shot....but guess what he still ended up hurt.

check any running qb...young,mcnair,mcnabb,cunningham, all became better when they started running less and being a pocket passer.

you dont know what a pocket pocket passer is????...ummmm check my sig. or brees brady...manning..montana,,favre.....

you know the guys who are always in the superbowl. a guy who goes through his progression then make a run for it IF nothing is open down field....

and there have been running qbs before lol just none who could last without a injury or throw well enough.....thats what makes these new running qbs special....THEY CAN THROW THE BALL DOWN FIELD. no one cares how much you run or how fast you are lol

did you watch joe webb... he could have beat the packers if he knew how pass accurately just a tiny bit lol YOU CAN NOT LIVE OFF THE RUN ONLY......

like i said running for a qb is a GREAT TOOL to have but you dont USE IT ON EVERY PLAY DAMN. im not against spread, pistol read option....just dont make it 90 percent of the game plan..... mix it in and out to keep the d guessing .

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

Maybe the reason 'pocket passers' were winning those superbowls was because there weren't many hybrid QBs. Have you ever thought of that? Now there are 4, 3 made the playoffs and 1 in the superbowl. That says a lot. That doesn't bode well for pocket passers.



okay arron got a superbowl...he is considered a guy who can run...he leads his team in rushing alot of times.... and 49ers have a top defense so arron didnt go against collin...more like carlos rodgers and aldon smith beat him.......

like i said,,,,i have nothing against running qb buddy. its just that they tend to lean on just running when you cant do that in the nfl . when vick came back what was everyone bragging about.......on how he had became a much better pocket passer. lol that made vick way more lethal and that was his best year by a long shot....but guess what he still ended up hurt.

check any running qb...young,mcnair,mcnabb,cunningham, all became better when they started running less and being a pocket passer.

you dont know what a pocket pocket passer is????...ummmm check my sig. or brees brady...manning..montana,,favre.....

you know the guys who are always in the superbowl. a guy who goes through his progression then make a run for it IF nothing is open down field....

and there have been running qbs before lol just none who could last without a injury or throw well enough.....thats what makes these new running qbs special....THEY CAN THROW THE BALL DOWN FIELD. no one cares how much you run or how fast you are lol

did you watch joe webb... he could have beat the packers if he knew how pass accurately just a tiny bit lol YOU CAN NOT LIVE OFF THE RUN ONLY......

like i said running for a qb is a GREAT TOOL to have but you dont USE IT ON EVERY PLAY DAMN. im not against spread, pistol read option....just dont make it 90 percent of the game plan..... mix it in and out to keep the d guessing .

:thumbsu: :goodjob:

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

Pick any read option guy you want. Gettleman is a more traditionalist and will return to more of a power running attack and passing attack similar to what we ran over the past 8 weeks only more traditional. For better or worse the quirky offenses and exposing the QB to harm are largely over. Cam is going to be protected whether he wants to or not. Most of his running will be on busted plays and to avoid sacks not designed runs.


Gentlemen isn't an OC...

If you don't give Cam his opportunities and design his running ability into your offense....you aren't doing your job well

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:15 PM

You can't make the read option into some gimmick in the middle of the game. Cam should be in the pistol formation at least 70% of the time. Where the read-option give, read option keep, and play action pass can all flourish. When I watch the 9ers offense it almost look like they're cheating. In fact, if they win 3 superbowls in a row with that offense the commish might outlaw it. That's how potent it is. Even the low talent Skins looked unstoppable at times. And the seahawks was dropping 50 per. Why can't we do the same? because Cam is fragile? Come on, man!


If you think Cam should be in the pistol formation 70% of the time you are the dumbest poster on this board. And that my friend is a major feat.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:17 PM

Some of you only see the first half of the season. They tried something it didnt work. They moved on and the offense was better for it.


That was my whole point... Keep moving in that same direction (with better OL talent and better and less repetitive execution of the option, of course :P )

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

Guess what else exposes your QB to hits.... when your o-line has more holes in it than this...

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:37 PM

If you think Cam should be in the pistol formation 70% of the time you are the dumbest poster on this board. And that my friend is a major feat.


I'm not defending that particular poster, but it should be pointed out we were in a shotgun formation for close to 85% of plays in the first part of this season. Even last year, we were in shotgun almost 65% of the time.

Given the pistol is similar to the shotgun (QB a bit shallower, RB lined up behind QB), being in that formation 70% of the time is not far fetched.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:40 PM

Wait, Gettleman clearly stated using it as a staple was counterproductive? THAT MUST MEAN HE WANTS TO GET RID OF IT ENTIRELY OH MY GOD WE HIRED THE WRONG PERSON

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

That's the beauty of the read option, my man! Either the QB or RB is gonna eat you up because you don't have enough personnels to crash on both behind the line of scrimmage. Gore was picking up at least 5 yards per carry. Did you also notice how those receivers were running in the middle of the field whide opponent? Thanks for making my point though.



Are you Chud? The 49ers were 1 game away from the Super Bowl last year with Alex F$%king Smith. That's how loaded they are. That's the big difference between us and them, personnel. We ran the read option a ton in the first half of the season. IT DIDN'T WORK. Now maybe that's because our line is nowhere near as good as San Fran's or because we ran it out of shotgun instead of the pistol but their is no way any sane person would look at how bad we were at it and say yes lets do more of that and it's Super Bowl time. Now if they want to revamp it, ADD Olineman, and use it as a part of the offense then great. If Colin had to play against the 49ers defense he would NOT have beaten Atlanta or Green Bay. That was the big difference in those games. San Fran's D got the turnovers and stops in the 2nd half that gave your hero a channce in Atlanta and Green Bay's D gave them no shot to win.

You still have enough time to buy a 49ers jersey and give Kaepernack a hummer before the Super Bowl if you hurry up and buy a ticket. Maybe he can show you his PISTOL offense and R Kelly you

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

San Fran ran the read option all day against the Falcons. The QB only kept it twice because the DE never collapsed on the RB.


No they didn't. You are confusing a formation like the pistol formation with the read option which is a play. They did not run the read option all that much. And when they did run the pistol he handed off the ball not pitched it which is what you do around the end on the read option play. The read option as you know is based on what the DE does and they were doing more straight hand offs to the back and play action not holding the ball and waiting to run or pitch. Did they run it 6 or 7 times?? yes, was that all day?? No.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

Hey Gettleman, 1 of 2 QBs in the Superbowl are run option.


Plus his statistical analysis is off when attempting to poke holes in the read option teams. Don't get me wrong I like Gettleman so far, but he mentions only 2 of the 12 teams are equiped with the read option in the playoffs. Correct me if I am wrong there are only about 3 teams in the NFL that ran the read option total. So if 2 of the 3 made the playoffs and 1 is in the Super Bowl those are some pretty good odds.

I agree that the read option should not be the basis of our run offense, but it is effective when sprinkled in.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

Gentlemen isn't an OC...

If you don't give Cam his opportunities and design his running ability into your offense....you aren't doing your job well


Gettleman knows more about football than anyone on here by far. And he has watched tape and watched our games which is one of his strengths. Plus he has been a big part of what the Giants did winning 2 superbowls. He knows what he is doing and what works. Part of the reason he helped pick Shula was because Shula knows how to keep what Cam does best which is throw the ball not run it, and knows how to run a power running game. Will cam run? Of course he will but it won't be close to how often Chud ran him. After all why pay a back millions to be back there and do nothing. Running is what they do. Let them do their job.


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