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#76 rayzor

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

In all honesty, it sounds like you and those folks in the media, really need to grow up yourselves. You do seem to enjoy sharing in the media's warped reality of Cam, don't you?

Yeah funny how folks like Brandt easilyy edit everything Cam does so they can use it to make their argument against. Yet none not one of them is asking any of the other players, especially the Vets, to change anything about their on field behavior or game to help their own team.

cam shared/s that same warped reality.

get over it.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

cam shared/s that same warped reality.

get over it.


Is Cam in your head?

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

Is Cam in your head?

lol, he agreed to it. said he was working on it. showed he had worked on it. those working with him said as much.

again, get over it.

he's not perfect. he's got room for growth as a player and a man....just like anyone on or off the field. he's been growing.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

can you believe what one guy actually had the GAUL to say about cam?

The big thing with him is he doesn't like losing. He doesn't handle it very well. I don't see anything wrong with that; it's OK not to like losing. You just can't show it as the leader of the football team.

You have to project optimism and calmness to the players around you. You can't be demoralized. He's not showing optimism. He's looking puzzled. He looks like a guy who doesn't have all the answers, and his teammates see that.
"The big thing with him is he doesn't like losing," Moon told Yahoo! Sports. "He doesn't handle it very well. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's OK not to like losing. You just can't show it as the leader of the football team.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012...uels-criticism/
"The big thing with him is he doesn't like losing," Moon told Yahoo! Sports. "He doesn't handle it very well. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's OK not to like losing. You just can't show it as the leader of the football team. "You have to project optimism and calmness to the players around you. You can't be demoralized. He's not showing optimism. He's looking puzzled. He looks like a guy who doesn't have all the answers, and his teammates see that."

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012...uels-criticism/

"The big thing with him is he doesn't like losing," Moon told Yahoo! Sports. "He doesn't handle it very well. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's OK not to like losing. You just can't show it as the leader of the football team. "You have to project optimism and calmness to the players around you. You can't be demoralized. He's not showing optimism. He's looking puzzled. He looks like a guy who doesn't have all the answers, and his teammates see that."

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012...uels-criticism/
"The big thing with him is he doesn't like losing," Moon told Yahoo! Sports. "He doesn't handle it very well. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's OK not to like losing. You just can't show it as the leader of the football team. "You have to project optimism and calmness to the players around you. You can't be demoralized. He's not showing optimism. He's looking puzzled. He looks like a guy who doesn't have all the answers, and his teammates see that."

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012...uels-criticism/

Cam's an emotional player. He needs to learn to saddle that. If I was to talk to him – and I need to give him a call – I would tell him his demeanor's got to change in the face of adversity. It's more of a maturity thing; he's got to grow up in this area. He's got to get realistic that they're not a good football team right now and it's going to be tough to win as much as he thinks he should, until they get some more good players.

If you want to compare him to someone because of his demeanor, compare him to Jay Cutler. There are a lot of guys who whine and moan. Cam's not biting anybody's head off or pushing his linemen. He's just disgruntled, and not handling losing well, because, think about it, he basically didn't lose in college.

I don't think Cam's as bad as Cutler, because Cutler looks like he doesn't give a damn sometimes, or he's yelling and cussing at someone. Cam, he just looks down when they're losing.

He just doesn't like losing. Is that bad? No, but you can't show it – not in this era where there's so much television coverage. You can't have a bad moment on the sidelines anymore.

that guy's obviously a hater and is buying into that warped reality about cam.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:50 PM

oh yeah...here's old cammy cam himself

"I was very immature. I'll be the first one to tell you, the pouting and the moping, I kind of overdid it. I know that. I was a bad teammate. I shut off to some people who gave unbelievable effort. ... That's where I have to mature."

" ... I put a lot on me to be able to respond. When things are going wrong, I wanted to have the ball in my hand, just like any warrior, any competitor who has played this game. When you don't get the results you want, I didn't go about it the right way."


Read more here: http://www.charlotte...l#storylink=cpy


http://blogs.bettor....FL-News-a158633



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

oh yeah...here's old cammy cam himself


I don't disagree with what you're saying in principle. Of course there were things Cam could have done better or improved on. However, you gotta take those comments with a grain of salt, cause Cam always blames himself for every loss (no matter how bad everyone else was), and judges him self quite harshly and his need to improve.

As a matter of fact, I remember when he made those comments about dealing with losing/being a better teammate. And after he did, both Hurney and Rivera said publicly, 'that's how I want my quarterback to feel. I don't want My quarterback to sit well with losing. To be quite honest. We actually need more Cam Newtons on this team'. So they kinda poo poo-ed his statements at the time. And I remember that. It was just PR poo--coming from Cam, and both Rivera and Hurney didn't buy it, and made no apologies for Cam's 'difficulties with losing'.

Now, Cam later in the season, apologizing to each team unit, regarding his early season play and the Panther losses, and what he could have contributed; then getting better as the season progressed, was The REAL Deal!! And that was done in private and never addressed with the press (until the next upcoming interview/er who ask, of course).

Big Difference!

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

I don't disagree with what you're saying in principle. Of course there were things Cam could have done better or improved on. However, you gotta take those comments, with a grain of salt, cause Cam always blames himself for every loss (no matter how bad everyone else was), and judges him self quite harshly and his need to improve.

As a matter of fact, I remember when he made those comments about dealing with losing/being a better teammate, Hurney and Rivera had said publicly, 'that's how I want my quarterback to feel. I don't want My quarterback to sit well with losing. To be quite honest. We actually need more Cam Newtons'. So they kinda poo poo-ed his statements at the time. I remember that. It was just PR poo, and both Rivera and Hurney didn't buy it.

Now, Cam later in the season, apologizing to each unit, regarding his early season play and the Panther losses, and what he could have contributed to it, then getting better as the season progress, was REAL!!

Big Difference!

does he not need to grow and improve? does he not need to bcecome more mature? do you thiknk that he doesn't actually feel that or that those feelings aren't warranted? that it's just him being hard on himself?

it's amazing to me how little he is allowed to be criticized, and i wouldn't even call this criticsm. it's truthful and honest observation about a young stud QB. it's reality.

the reality is that he has grown in those areas as well, is it not? at least that's what we're hoping because it sure looked like it. he needed to grow and he did. and he's not done yet. he's still got quite a ways to go and i'm sure he acknowledges that. why else do you think he's going back to school? why do that if everything is just fine the way it is?

he and others not blinded by his suped-up and imagined personna, realize that he has to grow. he has to mature. he has to improve. he has room for it, just like anyone.

i swear this is the dumbest conversation around and i'm done.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

does he not need to grow and improve? does he not need to bcecome more mature? do you thiknk that he doesn't actually feel that or that those feelings aren't warranted? that it's just him being hard on himself?

it's amazing to me how little he is allowed to be criticized, and i wouldn't even call this criticsm. it's truthful and honest observation about a young stud QB. it's reality.

the reality is that he has grown in those areas as well, is it not? at least that's what we're hoping because it sure looked like it. he needed to grow and he did. and he's not done yet. he's still got quite a ways to go and i'm sure he acknowledges that. why else do you think he's going back to school? why do that if everything is just fine the way it is?

he and others not blinded by his suped-up and imagined personna, realize that he has to grow. he has to mature. he has to improve. he has room for it, just like anyone.

i swear this is the dumbest conversation around and i'm done.



I already addressed your questions, in what I wrote already.

All I was saying was: You're examples were innocuous/harmless, cause what Cam addressed was fluff--at the time, and both Rivera and Hurney said as much. It was a PR move or Cam taking too much/unnecessary responsibility on his shoulders. But nonetheless nice to hear.

Cam taking true ownership, during the middle of the 2012 season, was a better example. And that was self driven. So that should be seen as a positive for Cam, and he gets all the credit in the world for being proactive and doing that.

The issue is not what Cam can improve on. The real question is: What he's asked and being criticized on, more than other QB's who encounter many of the same things he does, who are allowed to have their own personalities--on and off the field, and not be unfairly criticized for it.

For example: I would say that Kaepernick, based off what I've seen, is more immature and fiery on the field than Cam. And obviously, he wasn't NFL ready when he came into the league. However, you rarely hear media criticize him or even address either component. That's what many Cam supporters have issues with. Warren Moon even addressed this (the unfair criticism portion). And I'm not sure if you know this: But Moon is a big supporter of Luck. Knows his father well (Oliver Luck was a back up to Moon in the NFL). And Moon recommended Cam's QB tutor--George Whitfield to Oliver Luck, who then recommended Whitfield to his son--Andrew. And the rest is history.

I have no issue with legitimate or Abnormal Cam Events Cam criticism. However, most of what I hear, is just normal/regular stuff that different personalities, QB's and players on losing teams experience all the time, that gets blown out of proportion with him. No one ever said, that Cam has nothing to learn or couldn't get better. Of course not!

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

but moon said the same thing.

meh...never mind.

you're right. he was being disengenious when he said he needed to be a better teammate and he needed to grow, otherwise he's perfect.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

but moon said the same thing.

meh...never mind.

you're right. he was being disengenious when he said he needed to be a better teammate and he needed to grow, otherwise he's perfect.



If you wanna keep extrapolating what you want; go ahead.

But I think what I've said has been quite clear.

You should read it again (or fully), if you can't draw the distinctions.

And I say that with respect, cause I know you're a good, frequent poster here.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

No, he said he would have placed him higher had he played in the first half of the season at the same level as he did in the second half. Pretty simple and hard to argue I would think.


Brandt is full of ish. Only with Cam does he and those in the media, feel the need to find any reason to keep him down. I'm sure if the Panthers had a great season and missed the play-offs, that would have been the reason. I'm sure if the Panthers had made the play-offs and Cam not have such a great personal season like his rookie season, that would have been his reasoning. It seems when it comes to Cam, anything than can cancel out his achievements out.. Funny thing, when it comes to Luck, only positive spins will be used to justify him always being above the other QBs. Nope, not SO obvious about that.

Amazing that when it comes to Luck as QB, the team as a whole ability or inability is factored into the equation when it comes to evulating his personal performances but when it's Cam, the Panthers as a team, isn't even in the equaton. It's he and only he who is under the microscope. Yep, nothing subjective at all about the way Cam is being treated.

Some of you need to stop fall for the media's constant arcobatic talks. If these younger QBs are ranked by team wins and loses, as many keep pretending, then Colin should be on top regardless of when he started, with Wilson second, RG third and Luck and Cam, in that order. If it's about QB's personal accomplishments, Luck would be last, Wilson should be first and Cam, RG and Colin somewhere in the middle. And were is Andy and Christian Ponder?

But who the fug are we kidding! This is pure media brainwashed stuff go on here where the great White Hope simply has to play well enough that his fathers in the media can make the argument that he deserves to be firs when it comes to the younger QBs. The other ***** QB will fall inline according to how the media like them to be precieved. We need to stop acting as if the NFL isn't still pretty much a reflection of the way the media wants us to see these QBs.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

sorry...it hasn't been clear.

it sounds like a whole lot of spinning.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

Brandt is full of ish. Only with Cam does he and those in the media, feel the need to find any reason to keep him down. I'm sure if the Panthers had a great season and missed the play-offs, that would have been the reason. I'm sure if the Panthers had made the play-offs and Cam not have such a great personal season like his rookie season, that would have been his reasoning. It seems when it comes to Cam, anything than can cancel out his achievements out.. Funny thing, when it comes to Luck, only positive spins will be used to justify him always being above the other QBs. Nope, not SO obvious about that.

Amazing that when it comes to Luck as QB, the team as a whole ability or inability is factored into the equation when it comes to evulating his personal performances but when it's Cam, the Panthers as a team, isn't even in the equaton. It's he and only he who is under the microscope. Yep, nothing subjective at all about the way Cam is being treated.

lol about you complaining about people not being objective in their view of cam.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

I don't disagree with what you're saying in principle. Of course there were things Cam could have done better or improved on. However, you gotta take those comments with a grain of salt, cause Cam always blames himself for every loss (no matter how bad everyone else was), and judges him self quite harshly and his need to improve.

As a matter of fact, I remember when he made those comments about dealing with losing/being a better teammate. And after he did, both Hurney and Rivera said publicly, 'that's how I want my quarterback to feel. I don't want My quarterback to sit well with losing. To be quite honest. We actually need more Cam Newtons on this team'. So they kinda poo poo-ed his statements at the time. And I remember that. It was just PR poo--coming from Cam, and both Rivera and Hurney didn't buy it, and made no apologies for Cam's 'difficulties with losing'.

Now, Cam later in the season, apologizing to each team unit, regarding his early season play and the Panther losses, and what he could have contributed; then getting better as the season progressed, was The REAL Deal!! And that was done in private and never addressed with the press (until the next upcoming interview/er who ask, of course).

Big Difference!


The bottomline is, these folks want us to judge these QBs based on how they want us to preceive them. Everything Cam does gets scrutinized and criticized. Everything Luck does gets praised. End of story. You cannot take the media seriously nor can you talk the comments by some seriously.

Every QB that I've seen on tve is allowed to be himself and act as "immature" as they want but not Cam. Go figure.


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