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#11 MHS831

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

Again this all depends on FA.

But right now (and how you don't have a CB on the list I don't know).

1. CB
1b. Dt

2. Ol

3. Wr

4.FS

If we lose both Edward boys DT is number 1.

If we lose Gamble and Captain CB is number 1.


I had CB on this list---just noticed it was not on here. New computer and it is very sensitive. I must have deleted it.

We might need 2 CBs--a nickel and a #1. (to summarize what it said) I would be happy with second rounders Ryan or Trufant and a later round nickel CB like Webb from William and Mary.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

Everyone seems to think he will be a better pro than he was in college. I would speculate that if he is on the board at 14, we could take him. Somehow, however, I see the Dolphins (possibly) taking him at 12. Funny, but the Phins' situation at T could impact our draft. If they do not re-sign Long, they will have to go OT in the first, in my opinion. If they do not take Eric Fisher and he is there at 14, I think we would take him.
I do not see a top 12 WR in the draft, but if one rises, Patterson is the guy. He is no AJ Green or Julio Jones, but he is half a notch behind them. They went top 10, so you are probably spot on.


Eric Fisher is probably going to the chargers. almost every mock draft i see has that same pick in common. miami could very well go reciever at 12 but i feel with all the cap space they have they will sign either jennings or bowe for their reciever spot. your right on about patterson. no a Aj green or julio yet, but once he is more polished i have no doubt he will be on that level

#13 MHS831

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

Eric Fisher is probably going to the chargers. almost every mock draft i see has that same pick in common. miami could very well go reciever at 12 but i feel with all the cap space they have they will sign either jennings or bowe for their reciever spot. your right on about patterson. no a Aj green or julio yet, but once he is more polished i have no doubt he will be on that level

I have seen the Chargers ttaking Womack but that was before SR Bowl practices, but Fisher is pretty unanimous, like you say. , . Since reading your post, I watched some you tube on Patterson. I think I had never really considered WR in the first so I never researched WR like the other spots. I also think I watched some clips of Justin Hunter and in my mind, confused the two. Tennessee was loaded at WR. I would take Hunter in the second round, no doubt. Patterson, however, was very impressive. I worry that his stop and go moves, changes of direction etc. will result in a short career in the NFL, but he has some of the best moves I have ever seen for a 6-3, 200 lb WR. While I still want Johnson (who is ranked around 15 on some boards already), I would not be disappointed at all with Patterson.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

As of now without considering who could be where in the draft and what FA moves could be made:

1-WR Has been and still is our big need. We need more weapons on this team

2-OG (Hang'man is baaaaad, a road grader is desperately needed)

3-CB (especially if Gamble is gone; Josh Thomas is the only for sure guy imo at the position)

4-NT/DT (D'wan is good with Kearse, Chandler, & Neblett about avg.; we also rotate Alexander and Hardy inside for some of our sets...we really need help here but not necessarily rd1 priority imo)

5-OT (This will be 1 or 2 if Gross is gone)

6-S

If we keep Gross, I would seriously be down for a Johnthan Banks/Quinton Patton type combo in 1/2

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

As of now without considering who could be where in the draft and what FA moves could be made:

1-WR Has been and still is our big need. We need more weapons on this team

2-OG (Hang'man is baaaaad, a road grader is desperately needed)

3-CB (especially if Gamble is gone; Josh Thomas is the only for sure guy imo at the position)

4-NT/DT (D'wan is good with Kearse, Chandler, & Neblett about avg.; we also rotate Alexander and Hardy inside for some of our sets...we really need help here but not necessarily rd1 priority imo)

5-OT (This will be 1 or 2 if Gross is gone)

6-S

If we keep Gross, I would seriously be down for a Johnthan Banks/Quinton Patton type combo in 1/2


1. If Josh Thomas is the only sure thing (which he really isn't a sure thing) Then how is CB not numer 1?

2. Dwan is a FA and Neblett is a RFA. DT is a way bigger need then WR.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:49 AM

1. If Josh Thomas is the only sure thing (which he really isn't a sure thing) Then how is CB not numer 1?

2. Dwan is a FA and Neblett is a RFA. DT is a way bigger need then WR.


Our biggest problems last year (beyond coaching) imo extended from not being able to shut the door on opponents. We couldn't close on offense and move the chains when necessary. That makes OL and WR important imo. Also, this is a very good guard class, a position that is relatively accesible in the market on the availability and financial fronts.

D'wan should be the one we try to re-sign after we release and restructure some others. I'd love to take Banks so my 1 & 2 are very close. I just think we need to gain that edge where we don't even give opponents a chance by giving them the ball back. But bigger picture: Getting weapons, a cornerback, stabilizing the line, and DT help are all crucial in their own way and I want addressed. No single one seems to soar above the other need wise. We have big holes in various places.

Work for cap space, find who they like/want in the FA market, BPA in the draft with these needs in mind, reassess the FA.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:05 AM

Our biggest problems last year (beyond coaching) imo extended from not being able to shut the door on opponents. We couldn't close on offense and move the chains when necessary. That makes OL and WR important imo. Also, this is a very good guard class, a position that is relatively accesible in the market on the availability and financial fronts.

D'wan should be the one we try to re-sign after we release and restructure some others. I'd love to take Banks so my 1 & 2 are very close. I just think we need to gain that edge where we don't even give opponents a chance by giving them the ball back. But bigger picture: Getting weapons, a cornerback, stabilizing the line, and DT help are all crucial in their own way and I want addressed. No single one seems to soar above the other need wise. We have big holes in various places.

Work for cap space, find who they like/want in the FA market, BPA in the draft with these needs in mind, reassess the FA.


My biggest problem with the WR thing is I don't remember 1 game the WR cost us.

Now I do remember a few games the DB and Oline cost us.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:42 AM

I think our salary cap challenges present a major hole that will require the panthers to take action in the draft. I see us trading back and taking the best remaining receiver in the first round.

In a deep draft I hope some team gets fascinated with a players and trades up. I agree with the assessment given earlier that it takes a season for a receiver to develop into a bonafide #1 so we need to draft him this year. I think we can get a second or early third round pick this year by trading back where we can address DT and offensive guard. Unfortunately we will probably have to ride out the tackle tandem of Bell and Gross for one more year.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:34 AM

More questions than answers my friend.

1. My biggest question is how much input will Rivera have in this draft being it is produce or perish this year? Or is he a lame duck?

2 Who will be the most likely cap causalities? I see Gross, Gamble, R Edwards, and Anderson as potential causalities.....I do not see us keeping both Gross and Gamble ..my bet is we retain Gross.If we lose Gross we will need to replace him with a 1st round pick

3.Which one of our FAs do we try to retain? I hope like hell it is D Edwards or we will need at least to spend a 1st or 2nd at UT.

4. Can we afford or risk not taking a wr in the 1st or 2nd round? If Smitty goes down our season will be over for sure

5.What impact player in the draft will give Rivera the most production? Does Gettleman care or is he building toward the following year? This off- season should demonstrate if they are connected at the hip or is this the second coming of the J Fox 2010 lame duck season award ?

6.Is anyone curious as why Gettlemen has not brought in a staff to speak of?

7.Can anyone see a scenario where we can avoid multiple cuts to stay under the cap? If yes please show your math

8.We need at least a OG, back up qb and safety to even show up next year...how can we make the cuts for the cap and fill these positions?

9.If we let R Edwards go can we stop the run and get some push without drafting a NT?

10. Will this draft be about putting the final pieces in place or replacing cap causalities?

If someone can answer these questions I will then be ready to give my mock draft

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:40 AM

you build a team around your franchise qb which is cam

so offense first.(ol,wr,rb)of course you wont need rb

then defense(dt,cb/s,lb) dline is closer to ball and can have a faster affact of making qb force ball or get sacked..

even though thats right i might go with a cb first since it looks like a coupe of good ones could still be around in the 2nd(trufant,blidi,rhodes) and a some good dts(hughes,hill,wailliams) could still be around in the 4th.

also panthers already have two good de and that line is not far from being pretty good.

so if we trade back in the first.

1.oline
2.wr
2.cb
4.dt


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