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#61 panthers55

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

Saying the play was okay due to us downing it on the one is just as much hindsight as saying that it was bad because of Nakamura's screw up.

It was a bad call at the time due to percentages, regardless of outcome. It was a bad call if the punt returner fumbled it and we recovered. It was a bad call, full stop.


I don't know if it was worse by the percentages if you are being conservative. If you don't make the first down then Atlanta gets the ball near midfield and has only 30 yards for an easy field goal and almost a minute left. Much higher percentage than going at the worse 50 yards and the way it worked out 70 yards to make a field goal. But if you look at how proficient we were on short yardage situations and the flow of the game of course we should have gone for it. But the reality is even that situation could have worked out fine if we had stayed aggressive and realized they had to throw it deep. By sending 4 or 5 you force the offense to throw underneath while you sit on the outside routes to force receivers to stay in bounds over the middle. But as I said, I was thinking "what would Belicheck do" and we all know that the best way to stop their offense is keep them off the field trusting your offense to get the first down. A first down seals the deal and it is a 1 measly yard.

I am just saying it was not just that play but the ones that followed that together were so awful........

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

That one play could have changed our entire season. I truly believe that.

Yup. Only thing I can do is try to forget that play, otherwise, I quickly realize how keeping him was about money and we're stuck looking at another horrible season coming up.

I don't understand how people who are backing him just nonchalantly shrug his history of poor decision making and game management off, because "the guys didn't quit on him."

It's a joke.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

I was thinking much the same as you when he called the punt. It might be the textbook thing to do but given how we had dominated in short distance situations and how our defensive secondary had been prone to giving up big plays we should go for it. I kept thinking, Belicheck would have gone for it. He has faith in his offense that they will make the play. And they do most times. Obviously Rivera doesn't trust his offense to get the first down. You know all the Atlanta fans breathe a sign of relief when we bring on the punting squad. When we punted, I was expecting a touchback, so when we downed it on the 1, I thought, Okay maybe it wasn't as crappy a decision as I thought. Surely the way we pressured them all day, they wouldn't have time for a huge play. One sack here and it gets tough to move the ball in time. Then we rush 3 and play a loose prevent zone and I am livid when White comes down with the ball. Calm down, I think, Okay, if we really pressure them we should be able to hang on and at least make it a long attempt. Stunned, I watched us still play a loose zone and we don't even protect the out of bounds where we know they are going to throw in order to preserve the clock. They march right down and kick an easy field goal. Awful.....

If that would have been the extent of it, I could have been okay. Not good, given it was Atlanta and we had them by the nuts and let them go. But okay. What was not okay, was that we caved late which presaged some games that followed, where we were passive and strayed away from doing the things we did all day on defense to put ourselves in a good position.

When we went on a mini run you could tell the defense was tougher as we played more man coverage and actually denied the ball and defended the pass instead of waiting for them to catch it and "limiting" them to a 15 yard completion. Quarterbacks had to go to more than their first read and it allowed time for our rush to get there. Linebackers did a better job of limiting the dumpoffs and screens to short gains. We remained decent against the run despite losing Edwards in the middle.
Hopefully Rivera has learned that if you want to play Jim Johnson ball you live and die by the blitz and the pressure you can generate. You have to stay aggressive and dictate to the offense instead of the other way around. If he still hasn't learned that by now, I don't know what to say.

100% in agreement. and props on using the 'presaged'. i used it once in an article a few months back and my proof-reader/editor changed it for me saying that she hated doing it, but she didn't think that it was easily understood by people with less than 7th grade reading comprehension which is pretty much most of the populace. anyway....

i would probably feel better about rivera if we had been in close situations like we were accustomed to losing and pulled out the win. what i learned this past season is that if we're going to win, we're going to have to blow the other team out because in a close game, we're going to give it away. nothing i saw at the end of the season leads me to believe that is any different.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I don't know if it was worse by the percentages if you are being conservative. If you don't make the first down then Atlanta gets the ball near midfield and has only 30 yards for an easy field goal and almost a minute left. Much higher percentage than going at the worse 50 yards and the way it worked out 70 yards to make a field goal. But if you look at how proficient we were on short yardage situations and the flow of the game of course we should have gone for it. But the reality is even that situation could have worked out fine if we had stayed aggressive and realized they had to throw it deep. By sending 4 or 5 you force the offense to throw underneath while you sit on the outside routes to force receivers to stay in bounds over the middle. But as I said, I was thinking "what would Belicheck do" and we all know that the best way to stop their offense is keep them off the field trusting your offense to get the first down. A first down seals the deal and it is a 1 measly yard.

I am just saying it was not just that play but the ones that followed that together were so awful........

i would add that those last few plays that were so awful should have been expected, because that's what we had seen all game and we only made it easier by going into prevent mode.

and i totally agree with that comment that the best way to stop an offense is by keeping the ball out of their hands. you anticipate failure by your defense, whether it's warranted or not. this is especially true when you're playing an offense that has been getting the best of your defense and your offense has been the more competant of the two.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:53 PM

Surprise, Surprise another Grantland article bashing the Panthers. The worst coaching decision this year was John Fox deciding to stay conservative (in a playoff game) and run the ball on 3rd and 7 to ice the game against the Ravens. You've got Peyton Manning as your QB and you run the ball to ice the game?!?!? Everyone knew it was coming, it's John fugn Fox.

Bill Barnwell is a fat looking assclown why anyone posts his poo is beyond me.


I'm with you, but in the first half. I think the knee down with 30sec before half time, two timeouts and Manning at the helm was the dumbest call I've ever seen.

As far as the ATL game. I agree with the punt. They made their move on 3rd, bobbled it, so you punch them back and trust your D to hold. You can't risk giving them the ball on their 40 with only a 2pt lead. You have to pin them back and trust that they won't make 65yds in 30sec.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

of all teams to lose to in a bullshit way it had to be the falcons


Carolina has lost many a game to Atlanta in a bullshit way. Mike Vick and "the knee", a pick 6, Alge Crumpler butterballing a Joey Harrington pass into the end zone...

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:46 PM

I don't even know if that was his worst decision this year...just shows how much the dude sucks.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:37 PM

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lol the panthers war cry.

that and "it's a process"



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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:10 PM

takes time

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:56 AM

I actually went to this game. Talk about an embarassment. Especially after watching the few other "Panther" fans leaving and taunting all the falcons fans when we got the ball back with 2:26 left in the 4th. Of course I wanted to stay and see the nail in the coffin that Rivera decided to pull out by not going for it on 4th and 1. At that moment I knew we were going to lose. I still think that point was the turning point in the season. If we win that game I think we go 12-4 or possibly 13-3.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:26 AM

Jesus Christ... you children would have been calling this the worst play of the year if we had gone for it and not made it.

Holy fug, this board is brimming over with stupid

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:32 AM

its a process

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:43 AM

Jesus Christ... you children would have been calling this the worst play of the year if we had gone for it and not made it.

Holy fug, this board is brimming over with stupid



Many coaches in the NFL go for it on 4th down, I don't think you would find as many criticising rivera for being aggressive and trusting the offense more than trusting the defense which was allowing ATL to light them up the previous three quarters. I for sure would not have blamed rivera because I was literally screaming at my screen for him to go for it on 4th down.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

Many coaches in the NFL go for it on 4th down, I don't think you would find as many criticising rivera for being aggressive and trusting the offense more than trusting the defense which was allowing ATL to light them up the previous three quarters. I for sure would not have blamed rivera because I was literally screaming at my screen for him to go for it on 4th down.


1:09 to go with no timeouts and pinned at the 1. The thing that went wrong is not the decision that put the Falcons there, but a safety playing 20 yards off the LoS and STILL getting beat by letting his SOLE responsibility get behind him. Anyone that knows ANYTHING about football knows EXACTLY where the blame should go for this loss. You get Naka to get what he is supposed to do, then we are not having this discussion.

If you want to blame coaching for not drilling in such a basic thing through this guy's skull then you would at least have SOMETHING to get behind. As it is, THIS BOARD would have us running into the heart of a stacked box when our QB has almost double the rushing yards of the leading rusher on the team.


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