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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

In hindsight it absolutely was a terrible call given what happened with Nakamura. The question is not whether it turned out to be a bad call looking at it after the fact, but was it a bad call at the time. I was personally in the group that would have gone for it on the road but honestly given he called a punt and the Panthers downed it at the 1, it wasn't a bad idea. If we had played aggressively like we did all day instead of going to the prevent we would have won that game and others as well. It wasn't a play here or there so much as going to the prevent which we all know just prevents you from winning.

agreed.

i have an issue with people who talk about the fact that we had them down on the 1...but even then, what were the chances that we were even going to get that? i mean how good had our rookie punter been to that point? how trustworthy had he been? and then our special teams unit? not exactly a proven corps there. were they not one of the worst in the league? what are the chances that they were going to be able to stop the ball on the one yard line? miniscule.

it was a bad idea because of the personnel they had on the field in STs and on defense. it was a bad call because they weren't doing well. they were the weakest aspects of that team. they were the weakest of the three phases and instead of going for the closest thing to a sure thing, we gave it to them.

and we did it quite often this year. the players should have been able to carry out their assignments, but the coaching staff should have known they were limited in their ability to carry them out as had been proven quite often. you play to your strengths. we didn't.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

you can't even let the other team have 2 minutes. i don't feel good even letting them have 30 seconds.

you have to control the scoreboard and you have to control the ball, esp. in close games. when you put the ball in the hands of the other team, you lose control.


No, I was saying if "The Panthers had the ball with 2min left in the 4th quarter with a first down.

You can just kneel it out at that point. :sword:

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

Glad Rivera grew his balls back towards the end of the year, hope he keeps them.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:56 PM

agreed.

i have an issue with people who talk about the fact that we had them down on the 1...but even then, what were the chances that we were even going to get that? i mean how good had our rookie punter been to that point? how trustworthy had he been? and then our special teams unit? not exactly a proven corps there. were they not one of the worst in the league? what are the chances that they were going to be able to stop the ball on the one yard line? miniscule.

it was a bad idea because of the personnel they had on the field in STs and on defense. it was a bad call because they weren't doing well. they were the weakest aspects of that team. they were the weakest of the three phases and instead of going for the closest thing to a sure thing, we gave it to them.

and we did it quite often this year. the players should have been able to carry out their assignments, but the coaching staff should have known they were limited in their ability to carry them out as had been proven quite often. you play to your strengths. we didn't.


Rivera plays NOT TO LOSE, both offensively and defensively even with 14 pt leads in the 2nd qtr. It's almost like he feels uncomfortable with more than a 14 pt lead or he feels he's running up the score (which is ironic, cause the other teams has their starters in the game trying to score).

I can almost forgive him for the defense, cause a lot of NFL teams and coaches get into the Prevent Mess. However, he should know that no leads are safe in today's NFL, especially when you're playing a potent offense, no matter how well your defense was playing, but especially if you're defense wasn't playing well.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

This was the one play that I was livid. I mean beyond mad. Anyone that's been watching football for over 3 years should know that in that situation, you have those pieces that can get you the yardage you need to put away the opposing team. You take it. You DO IT! Can't express how much I was raging when we didn't go for it.


Second close was when Cam threw that limp dick of a pass to hartstock to potentially win the game. Those days and those games I just threw my hands in the air and walked away from the TV, well laptop since I can't see them on TV locally.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

Glad Rivera grew his balls back towards the end of the year, hope he keeps them.

the issue i have is that in the last few games, with the exception of that chiefs game, the really weren't in any close games at the end. they had gotten pretty decent sized leads heading into the last couple minutes of the game.

that chiefs game was one that nothing was working well. bad playing and bad coaching. everyone making dumb decisions. less than 4 minutes left and you give the other team the ball, tho? all they have to do is do what they did and keep the ball for 3-4 minutes. they had been eating up the clock all game and that was exactly what they were going to do. i don't like the call at all. you don't give your team a chance when you give the other team the ball. you're giving the other team the chance to win.

it's just a philosophy in game management that i don't like at all and i'm not sure that rivera's grown out of that. i hope he has, but i haven't seen it. hopefully that's one area that he really looks at and changes on heading into the next season. he's going to have to fight hard to not try and let the defense control the outcome of the game because that's his nature. he's a defensive minded coach in an era that offenses rule.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:26 PM

agreed.

i have an issue with people who talk about the fact that we had them down on the 1...but even then, what were the chances that we were even going to get that? i mean how good had our rookie punter been to that point? how trustworthy had he been? and then our special teams unit? not exactly a proven corps there. were they not one of the worst in the league? what are the chances that they were going to be able to stop the ball on the one yard line? miniscule.

it was a bad idea because of the personnel they had on the field in STs and on defense. it was a bad call because they weren't doing well. they were the weakest aspects of that team. they were the weakest of the three phases and instead of going for the closest thing to a sure thing, we gave it to them.

and we did it quite often this year. the players should have been able to carry out their assignments, but the coaching staff should have known they were limited in their ability to carry them out as had been proven quite often. you play to your strengths. we didn't.

I was thinking much the same as you when he called the punt. It might be the textbook thing to do but given how we had dominated in short distance situations and how our defensive secondary had been prone to giving up big plays we should go for it. I kept thinking, Belicheck would have gone for it. He has faith in his offense that they will make the play. And they do most times. Obviously Rivera doesn't trust his offense to get the first down. You know all the Atlanta fans breathe a sign of relief when we bring on the punting squad. When we punted, I was expecting a touchback, so when we downed it on the 1, I thought, Okay maybe it wasn't as crappy a decision as I thought. Surely the way we pressured them all day, they wouldn't have time for a huge play. One sack here and it gets tough to move the ball in time. Then we rush 3 and play a loose prevent zone and I am livid when White comes down with the ball. Calm down, I think, Okay, if we really pressure them we should be able to hang on and at least make it a long attempt. Stunned, I watched us still play a loose zone and we don't even protect the out of bounds where we know they are going to throw in order to preserve the clock. They march right down and kick an easy field goal. Awful.....

If that would have been the extent of it, I could have been okay. Not good, given it was Atlanta and we had them by the nuts and let them go. But okay. What was not okay, was that we caved late which presaged some games that followed, where we were passive and strayed away from doing the things we did all day on defense to put ourselves in a good position.

When we went on a mini run you could tell the defense was tougher as we played more man coverage and actually denied the ball and defended the pass instead of waiting for them to catch it and "limiting" them to a 15 yard completion. Quarterbacks had to go to more than their first read and it allowed time for our rush to get there. Linebackers did a better job of limiting the dumpoffs and screens to short gains. We remained decent against the run despite losing Edwards in the middle.
Hopefully Rivera has learned that if you want to play Jim Johnson ball you live and die by the blitz and the pressure you can generate. You have to stay aggressive and dictate to the offense instead of the other way around. If he still hasn't learned that by now, I don't know what to say.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

In hindsight it absolutely was a terrible call given what happened with Nakamura. The question is not whether it turned out to be a bad call looking at it after the fact, but was it a bad call at the time. I was personally in the group that would have gone for it on the road but honestly given he called a punt and the Panthers downed it at the 1, it wasn't a bad idea. If we had played aggressively like we did all day instead of going to the prevent we would have won that game and others as well. It wasn't a play here or there so much as going to the prevent which we all know just prevents you from winning.


Saying the play was okay due to us downing it on the one is just as much hindsight as saying that it was bad because of Nakamura's screw up.

It was a bad call at the time due to percentages, regardless of outcome. It was a bad call if the punt returner fumbled it and we recovered. It was a bad call, full stop.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

Not attempting a 50 yard FG with a kicker that was brought in bc he had a huge leg with seconds left before the half, takes the cake.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

Yup. totally agree.


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