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The entitlement crisis in America

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^^Exactly. Old timer nimrods don't have the critical thinking necessary to understand why there are so many poor people that need assistance to me daily needs as opposed to living out on the street.

It's easier to hate the "takers" as opposed to assesing why there are so damn many poor people to begin with.

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[quote name='MadHatter' timestamp='1359139920' post='2114459']
Predictable response from the liberal idiots....disregard statistics and claim there is no issue.

With the number of people in this country paying no federal income taxes and the % of people in this country on government entitlement programs (49% of people pay no federal income tax and 35% of people are on means tested entitlment programs)....
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with what... 100% crossover? wanna draw up that venn diagram?


jesus... talk about statistics.

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[quote]But the pool of working-age government disability recipients may be even larger than those getting funds just from the Social Security disability programs alone. The Department of Health and Human Services reports that more than 12.4 million working-age Americans obtained disability income support from all government programs in 2011. That's more than the total number of employees in the manufacturing sector of the economy.[/quote]

i have no idea how i'm supposed to contextualize this. Is there some sort of ratio of disability workers to manufacturing jobs that needs to be met or time-space rips in two?

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[quote name='thatlookseasy' timestamp='1359140472' post='2114472']
Are the issues with entitlement programs the sole cause of the problem or a symptom of rising income inequality over the past 20 years?


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A bit of both I would guess.

Here is a good opinion piece on "The race between meritocracy and government:"

[quote]This is not to make a partisan point. The Republicans do not have a better approach. It’s simply to say that the liberal agenda is not very good at addressing the inequality problem it seeks to solve. The meritocracy is overwhelming the liberal project.[/quote]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/opinion/brooks-the-great-migration.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

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The "entitlement crisis" is like so many other problems in America. It's not that much of a problem if we stopped pretending it didn't address a problem that's actually there. We then come up with "simple" solutions that pretty much is just extended denial.

Teen Pregnancy - Well, just don't have sex!
Drug Problem - Don't do drugs!
High # of Firearms Deaths - Be responsible with your guns!
Poverty - Stop being lazy!
Income inequality - Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!

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[quote name='Delhommey' timestamp='1359144685' post='2114549']
The "entitlement crisis" is like so many other problems in America. It's not that much of a problem if we stopped pretending it didn't address a problem that's actually there. We then come up with "simple" solutions that pretty much is just extended denial.

Teen Pregnancy - Well, just don't have sex!
Drug Problem - Don't do drugs!
High # of Firearms Deaths - Be responsible with your guns!
Poverty - Stop being lazy!
Income inequality - Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!
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Exactly, it's not really an entitlement crisis. The growth in entitlement reliance isn't the problem, it's a symptom.
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[quote name='MadHatter' timestamp='1359139920' post='2114459']
Predictable response from the liberal idiots....disregard statistics and claim there is no issue.

With the number of people in this country paying no federal income taxes and the % of people in this country on government entitlement programs (49% of people pay no federal income tax and 35% of people are on means tested entitlment programs)....not to mention the astounding growth in people on these programs....only a complete and utter moron could make a statement that there is not a SERIOUS problem.

The programs were originally designed as temporary assistance programs to help people get back on their feet. However, they have turned into a means of generational support for MILLIONS of people in this country.

Keep offering the handouts and people will continue to accept them.
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hey tubby, what say you about wage stagnation in the face of increasing worker productivity?

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more is getting done with less people. not to mention having one worker doing the work of three at the moment.

tech/automation growth, smart capabilities+less workers+increased productivity=wage stagnation

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[quote name='pstall' timestamp='1359158890' post='2114798']
more is getting done with less people. not to mention having one worker doing the work of three at the moment.

tech/automation growth, smart capabilities+less workers+increased productivity=wage stagnation
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don't forget the legislation, "bankruptcies" and union breaking.

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[quote name='Happy Panther' timestamp='1359127595' post='2114205']
Wall street Journal:
[url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323539804578259940213918254.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop"]http://online.wsj.co...Opinion_LEADTop[/url]


• The president and others describe Social Security and Medicare as "social insurance" programs rather than transfer schemes. True, the eventual beneficiaries of these programs contribute payroll taxes to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds during their working lives. But "insurance" programs are meant to pay for themselves; Social Security and Medicare cannot do so.
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Wanted to comment on this last one. I guess it depends on the definition of pays for themselves. If you look at it purely from a financial perspective, medicare probably doesn't pay for itself. Social Security may or may not, depending on which set of stats you believe.

But if you look at it from a quality of life for the nation perspective, I do think that overall SS and Medicare have improved quality of life for a good percentage of americans. Its hard to quantify exactly how much, since so many other things have since those programs began, but I do believe SS and Medicare have contributed to an overall improvement.

I would love to see stricter standards and monitoring applied to those that receive disability etc.... But then, the additional monitoring and enforcement could be almost as expensive as the entitlements themselves.

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[quote name='pstall' timestamp='1359158890' post='2114798']
more is getting done with less people. not to mention having one worker doing the work of three at the moment.

tech/automation growth, smart capabilities+less workers+increased productivity=wage stagnation
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Well, it does with our current system, which redistributes the wealth from the workers to the holders of capital.

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