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#16 Happy Panther

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

Are the issues with entitlement programs the sole cause of the problem or a symptom of rising income inequality over the past 20 years?



A bit of both I would guess.

Here is a good opinion piece on "The race between meritocracy and government:"

This is not to make a partisan point. The Republicans do not have a better approach. It’s simply to say that the liberal agenda is not very good at addressing the inequality problem it seeks to solve. The meritocracy is overwhelming the liberal project.


http://www.nytimes.c...d=fb-share&_r=0

#17 Delhommey

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

The "entitlement crisis" is like so many other problems in America. It's not that much of a problem if we stopped pretending it didn't address a problem that's actually there. We then come up with "simple" solutions that pretty much is just extended denial.

Teen Pregnancy - Well, just don't have sex!
Drug Problem - Don't do drugs!
High # of Firearms Deaths - Be responsible with your guns!
Poverty - Stop being lazy!
Income inequality - Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!

#18 Floppin

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

The "entitlement crisis" is like so many other problems in America. It's not that much of a problem if we stopped pretending it didn't address a problem that's actually there. We then come up with "simple" solutions that pretty much is just extended denial.

Teen Pregnancy - Well, just don't have sex!
Drug Problem - Don't do drugs!
High # of Firearms Deaths - Be responsible with your guns!
Poverty - Stop being lazy!
Income inequality - Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!


Exactly, it's not really an entitlement crisis. The growth in entitlement reliance isn't the problem, it's a symptom.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:45 PM

Predictable response from the liberal idiots....disregard statistics and claim there is no issue.

With the number of people in this country paying no federal income taxes and the % of people in this country on government entitlement programs (49% of people pay no federal income tax and 35% of people are on means tested entitlment programs)....not to mention the astounding growth in people on these programs....only a complete and utter moron could make a statement that there is not a SERIOUS problem.

The programs were originally designed as temporary assistance programs to help people get back on their feet. However, they have turned into a means of generational support for MILLIONS of people in this country.

Keep offering the handouts and people will continue to accept them.


hey tubby, what say you about wage stagnation in the face of increasing worker productivity?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

more is getting done with less people. not to mention having one worker doing the work of three at the moment.

tech/automation growth, smart capabilities+less workers+increased productivity=wage stagnation

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

more is getting done with less people. not to mention having one worker doing the work of three at the moment.

tech/automation growth, smart capabilities+less workers+increased productivity=wage stagnation


don't forget the legislation, "bankruptcies" and union breaking.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

Wall street Journal:
http://online.wsj.co...Opinion_LEADTop


• The president and others describe Social Security and Medicare as "social insurance" programs rather than transfer schemes. True, the eventual beneficiaries of these programs contribute payroll taxes to the Social Security and Medicare trust funds during their working lives. But "insurance" programs are meant to pay for themselves; Social Security and Medicare cannot do so.


Wanted to comment on this last one. I guess it depends on the definition of pays for themselves. If you look at it purely from a financial perspective, medicare probably doesn't pay for itself. Social Security may or may not, depending on which set of stats you believe.

But if you look at it from a quality of life for the nation perspective, I do think that overall SS and Medicare have improved quality of life for a good percentage of americans. Its hard to quantify exactly how much, since so many other things have since those programs began, but I do believe SS and Medicare have contributed to an overall improvement.

I would love to see stricter standards and monitoring applied to those that receive disability etc.... But then, the additional monitoring and enforcement could be almost as expensive as the entitlements themselves.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:28 AM

more is getting done with less people. not to mention having one worker doing the work of three at the moment.

tech/automation growth, smart capabilities+less workers+increased productivity=wage stagnation


Well, it does with our current system, which redistributes the wealth from the workers to the holders of capital.


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