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#11 SevenSixes

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

My prediction for the FA and the Draft is ..
We cut DWill (I haz a sad), Gamble, Gross, Captain, and either CJ or RKaliel, and Beas restructured / traded.

We draft 1-OT, 2-DT, 4-CB, 5-RB, 6-S.

Optionally, "Oppa Gettman Style" could be load up the trenches (OL and DL picks across the board) and let the next HC work out the secondary / receiver issues next draft.

We would then have to FA a WR and a S to give Nakamura some competition.

So we end up somewhat better than before, but much better cap position come 2014. Which will be the start of the Gettleman Era..

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

1. My biggest question is how much input will Rivera have in this draft being it is produce or perish this year? Or is he a lame duck?


He'll have plenty of input. Gettleman is not going to pick someone without Rivera's approval, they're a team.

2 Who will be the most likely cap causalities? I see Gross, Gamble, R Edwards, and Anderson as potential causalities.....I do not see us keeping both Gross and Gamble ..my bet is we retain Gross.If we lose Gross we will need to replace him with a 1st round pick


No way to know, only pure speculation.

3.Which one of our FAs do we try to retain? I hope like hell it is D Edwards or we will need at least to spend a 1st or 2nd at UT.


We'll probably try to retain all of them, probably with cheap 1 year deals that they'll take if they can't find any other interest.

4. Can we afford or risk not taking a wr in the 1st or 2nd round? If Smitty goes down our season will be over for sure


Yes we can. Our passing attack is prolific enough as it is, it's more important to shore up the lines.

5.What impact player in the draft will give Rivera the most production? Does Gettleman care or is he building toward the following year? This off- season should demonstrate if they are connected at the hip or is this the second coming of the J Fox 2010 lame duck season award ?


I think we'll see the most improvement for the team by taking the BPA at OL or DT.


6.Is anyone curious as why Gettlemen has not brought in a staff to speak of?


He told the staff when he got hired that he didn't plan to come in and replace the staff. He wants to give everyone a chance and see what we've got first.

7.Can anyone see a scenario where we can avoid multiple cuts to stay under the cap? If yes please show your math


We'll lose a couple players.

8.We need at least a OG, back up qb and safety to even show up next year...how can we make the cuts for the cap and fill these positions?


Draft.

9.If we let R Edwards go can we stop the run and get some push without drafting a NT?


Only if we somehow can get a free agent.

10. Will this draft be about putting the final pieces in place or replacing cap causalities?

Both.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:42 PM

Chris Gamble is GONE. We sign DT in FA, Ron Edwards and Gross getting cut is far from a sure thing. I think we drop a 1st on a wideout and go with best OL avail in round 2.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

My prediction for the FA and the Draft is ..
We cut DWill (I haz a sad), Gamble, Gross, Captain, and either CJ or RKaliel, and Beas restructured / traded.

We draft 1-OT, 2-DT, 4-CB, 5-RB, 6-S.

Optionally, "Oppa Gettman Style" could be load up the trenches (OL and DL picks across the board) and let the next HC work out the secondary / receiver issues next draft.

We would then have to FA a WR and a S to give Nakamura some competition.

So we end up somewhat better than before, but much better cap position come 2014. Which will be the start of the Gettleman Era..

wait what huh?

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

I just think there's going to be a big name to get cut that we don't see coming. Both of these guys have good size contracts that were made several years ago that could be torn up to make cap room..

They were both signed to contracts that made them the highest paid at their positions, I think that also makes them an attractive target for a cut (or restructure).

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

yeah i agree, but who is a number 1 left tackle that will fall to panthers at 14......lane johnson, ricky wagner, barret jones.........

i mean i like jones alot but he has only play left tackle for one year....he did very well but idk if he is a sure started like matt kalil.

It is January, but Lane Johnson might not be there when we pick. I hope we get him at 14.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

all of this, regardless of how well people think they can read between the lines or interpret comments from gettleman or rivera, all comes down to speculation.

that said, here's mine...

rivera and gettleman will collaberate on personnel stuff.

i'm not going to go through that whole list, but i'll just add this stuff:

top priorities, imo (and not in order): OT, RG, UT, NT, FS, CB (replacing gamble).

biggest immediate and singular issue: the trenches.

my solution...find solid, but inexpensive vets to fill the trenches, signed on one year deals. OL and interior DL rookies typically look like they have rollerskates on, regardless of where they were drafted. if you draft anyone outside the top 10 to fill those spots, i think the likelihood that they look incompetant their first year skyrockets. just my personal opinion.

the rule of thumb for deciding on personnel will probably be if they can be replaced by a cheaper option without much negative effect on the cap, they probably will be.

tolbert's contract would have the least negative impact in the RB corps to cut out so barring any restructuring he does, he's probably gone. we'll probably be riding with williams and stewart again, though i wouldn't be surprised to see all three back. we've got them all under contract and it will have a very painful impact on the immediate cap to release them so we'll probably ride with them and be glad of it when one or two of them misses time (which williams and stewart do).

james anderson, chris gamble, and maybe gross will probably be the biggest cap casualties. beason will probably be restructured because he's done nothing except miss games since he signed the new deal. he's still better than anderson and would hurt the cap more by releasing so he'll probably stay. gross all depends on his renegotiating his deal and what we can find to replace him without setting ourselves back much. the fact that we have so many issues on the right side i think makes it unlikely that we release him. we'll probably move him back to the right side and pick up a new LT and RG.

if we beef up the trenches, we'll be able to get by with less in the secondary and at WR, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't address them.

gettleman appears to be a fan of the cheap one year deal as far as vets go and were it up to me after bringing in a couple cap gurus to help fix that mess and make about $10-15mil in space (how? i don't know...don't care. i'll let the bean countrers figure that crap out just like i do in real life and like i would do in gettleman's shoes). then i would trade picks after the 2nd round to pick up older and solid vets on the back end of inexpensive contracts and bring them in for a year focusing on the trenches. rivera and gettleman together should be able to land a couple solid guys like they did with ron and dwan. gettleman should be able to find decent guys to fill in on the OL as well. we don't need studs, we just need guys who won't be pushed around and give cam some breathing room.

on draft day(s) it would be BPA who fits a need. first (and maybe second) round would be guys who could be plugged in right away and make an impact. i think it's more likely to be WR and FS, to be honest.

as far as staff is concerned...gettleman is an analyst first. he observes a situation completely to see strengths and weaknesses and then makes an assessment on it and then works to make it better. that's just the way it appears to me. he'll look at this staff and this roster to see what and who works best, who needs works as well as what work needs to be done, and who needs replacing. he then will find the best candidate that fits the situation...including the financial situation.


just my .02.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

I just think there's going to be a big name to get cut that we don't see coming. Both of these guys have good size contracts that were made several years ago that could be torn up to make cap room..

They were both signed to contracts that made them the highest paid at their positions, I think that also makes them an attractive target for a cut (or restructure).


Cutting CJ in March (when we have to get under the cap) would accelerate 18 million in signing bonus. So that isn't going to happen.

You could reason that he carries a cap hit of 13 million if he stays, so it would only be an overall negative impact of 5 million, but that ignores the value of the DE position. We would have to replace him, and unless we gamble on grabbing a stud in the draft, DE's don't come cheap. Any DE worth a damn will cost 8 million + in FA. Given all this, there doesn't seem to be any chance that CJ gets cut.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

I just think there's going to be a big name to get cut that we don't see coming. Both of these guys have good size contracts that were made several years ago that could be torn up to make cap room..

They were both signed to contracts that made them the highest paid at their positions, I think that also makes them an attractive target for a cut (or restructure).


CJ nor Kalil will be cut.

big difference between cut/restructure

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:27 PM

CJ nor Kalil will be cut.

big difference between cut/restructure

i don't think anything will be done with either of their contracts. no need.

other guys should have it done first. there will be enough room made without having to touch them.


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