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#25 Matthias

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

I agree with that. But ansner me this, what dual threat QB in the current NFL who is known only for running? What dual threat QB is not as accurate or even more accurate than those so-called pocket passers? Here is the short list RG3, Kaepernick, Cam, Wilson. As I mentioned before, if your QB is none of those guys you have no business crying about their health as an excuse. Go worry about Cutler who can't finish a season.


All those guys are accurate, and will get better. I can only speak for Cam in this regard because I follow him more closely than the others. Cam still has more development to go in the passing game. He's not as accurate as he could be, and I fear because coaches will want Cam to continue in practicing his running game, his accuracy issues won't be fully addressed as they should be.

If I were to say the name Cam Newton in a crowd of NFL fans, what skillset will most likely be the first to enter their minds concerning that name?

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

lol joke thread. stop it blue boy you will never win...especially calling out super bowl winning qbs lol


you lost the the agrgument last time and now you are trying to bring race in to it. you may have a point to some but in the bigger picture everyone has gave you clear and logical reasons why a qb should stay in the pocket. am i against running..NO...shoot john elway used to run all the time....its just that he didnt depend on it and it was his last option after all his wr were covered. thats all im saying.

you seem to have more of a problem with the offensive system whether than the qb playing. i guess they go hand in hand lol

kap and wilson have wayy better coaches and defense than panthers lol 49ers is a defensive team just like the 2000 ravens. all they needed was a avg qb good enough to make some throws.

wilson doesnt even run that much...mostly when the play breaks down. he has some designed runs but they have the oline to do that. wilson only had about 4 rushing tds with 26 passing tds.

rg3 is hurt. end of discussion. :thumbsd:

Well, it doesn't take much to win a superbowl. one team every year will win one even if all the QBs are mediocre. Ever thought of that? For someone on a panther forum you seem quite defensive when it comes to 'pocket passer' needing field goals to win superbowls Brady. I wonder why. Wake me up when Brady does something impressive.

Cutler & Rothlisberger was hurt too. To the detriment of their team making the playoffs. At least RG3 was in the playoffs.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

Trust as someone who followed the Eagles since I was a kid (my dad was a fan of the team). Mcnabb and Cunningham faced all types of BS from the fan base. Hate mail and all the typical code word nonsense from fans and media.

Now if you point that out they call it race card. As though it's ok to treat people that way because they're the majority.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:09 AM

I agree with that. But ansner me this, what dual threat QB in the current NFL who is known only for running? What dual threat QB is not as accurate or even more accurate than those so-called pocket passers? Here is the short list RG3, Kaepernick, Cam, Wilson. As I mentioned before, if your QB is none of those guys you have no business crying about their health as an excuse. Go worry about Cutler who can't finish a season.


What team your of fan of has no bearing on wether the health argument can be used or not. It's still a legitimate point regardless of your affiliation. I'm sure out of millions there are those use it as a cover to hide there overall disdain.
But there are plenty who bring it up just as a pure point to make.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

All those guys are accurate, and will get better. I can only speak for Cam in this regard because I follow him more closely than the others. Cam still has more development to go in the passing game. He's not as accurate as he could be, and I fear because coaches will want Cam to continue in practicing his running game, his accuracy issues won't be fully addressed as they should be.

If I were to say the name Cam Newton in a crowd of NFL fans, what skillset will most likely be the first to enter their minds concerning that name?

Cam is not as accurate as he could be but he sure as hell more accurate than that Luck guy people proclaim as the GOAT. Since Luck is such a 'pocket passer' and Cam is not(?), that means all Luck has to worry about is completing a pass and he can barely do that. What does that say about Luck's skill set. At least Cam will also rack up 750 yards.

Although Cam is not a gifted passer like a few other NFL QBs are, for everything else he brings to the table he doesn't need to be. But Luck on the other hand is also not a gifted passer, and if you're not and don't bring anything else to the table why are you being proclaimed to be the GOAT without merit.

And to answer your question, a dynamic dual threat QB who will not leave his teammates hanging on 4th & 4 when the lane is wide open in an AFC championship game.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

What team your of fan of has no bearing on wether the health argument can be used or not. It's still a legitimate point regardless of your affiliation. I'm sure out of millions there are those use it as a cover to hide there overall disdain.
But there are plenty who bring it up just as a pure point to make.

I absolutely agree with your point. And when you point them out by 'guessing' their thought they're surprised and utter the race card rebuff.

Kurt warner said it best and I thought it was noble of him to have said it. He mentioned how he was never fast or strong and the only way he could get on the football field is by playing QB. Nothing wrong with that. But trying to deter athletic guys from playing QB is not the way to go. There is room for everyone. Of course it would be nice for all the 32 teams to have non-mobile pocket passers guaranteeing them the superbowl every year but in a league made of very strong and athletic people that wasn't gonna last forever.

Reserving a roster spot in the NFL for non-athletic players is just ridiculous to me.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

oh yeah if big ben(who can run decent) and cutler ran more that would cut down on there injuries lol they would just get hit MORE. lol

i guess since you can still get hit by a car on the sidewalk you should just walk on highway carefree. lol

if you can outrun a bullet you dont think the shooter is going to send more.....oh you going to out run every bullet lol even mike vick couldnt do that and hes the best just watch that eagles come back on the giants a few years back.

for the most part running is going to help extend plays or gain a few yards when a play break down.

yeah rg3 got in the playoffs to lose because he couldnt play well enough to win. all those hits while running aint worth it buddy. he was clearly hurt and should have had a coupe ints.

cam almost got injured bad in the pocket at the saints game.....and if he runs thats just going to increase his chances of getting hurt even more. you already going to take alot of shots in the pocket anyways.

and yeah pocket qbs get hurt but thats the oline fault...they are not bringing ill will to themselves.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

oh yeah if big ben(who can run decent) and cutler ran more that would cut down on there injuries lol they would just get hit MORE. lol

i guess since you can still get hit by a car on the sidewalk you should just walk on highway carefree. lol

if you can outrun a bullet you dont think the shooter is going to send more.....oh you going to out run every bullet lol even mike vick couldnt do that and hes the best just watch that eagles come back on the giants a few years back.

for the most part running is going to help extend plays or gain a few yards when a play break down.

yeah rg3 got in the playoffs to lose because he couldnt play well enough to win. all those hits while running aint worth it buddy. he was clearly hurt and should have had a coupe ints.

cam almost got injured bad in the pocket at the saints game.....and if he runs thats just going to increase his chances of getting hurt even more. you already going to take alot of shots in the pocket anyways.

and yeah pocket qbs get hurt but thats the oline fault...they are not bringing ill will to themselves.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

oh yeah if big ben(who can run decent) and cutler ran more that would cut down on there injuries lol they would just get hit MORE. lol

i guess since you can still get hit by a car on the sidewalk you should just walk on highway carefree. lol

if you can outrun a bullet you dont think the shooter is going to send more.....oh you going to out run every bullet lol even mike vick couldnt do that and hes the best just watch that eagles come back on the giants a few years back.

for the most part running is going to help extend plays or gain a few yards when a play break down.

yeah rg3 got in the playoffs to lose because he couldnt play well enough to win. all those hits while running aint worth it buddy. he was clearly hurt and should have had a coupe ints.

cam almost got injured bad in the pocket at the saints game.....and if he runs thats just going to increase his chances of getting hurt even more. you already going to take alot of shots in the pocket anyways.

and yeah pocket qbs get hurt but thats the oline fault...they are not bringing ill will to themselves.

And then again, you're a concerned fan of a team with an athletic QB. Nothing wrong with that and we can debate about his safety forever. But some people just don't like the 'new' QBs coming to the NFL. Those are the people I have a gripe against. If you don't like those 'new' QBs, you shouldn't like those 'old' WRs, CBs, RBs, TEs, DEs, etc. either. You can't hate those 'new' QBs but want your team to trade for Revis, per se, to help your pocket passer QB win games. That's too hypocritical, pathetic and I recommend hockey for their disease.

To diminish your concern, I don't know a dual threat QB whose career ever ended early do to injury. MacNabb had a long career. Only his mediocrity kept him off the field. Even vick's downfall was due to bad OL rather than downfiled injury.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

Cam is not as accurate as he could be but he sure as hell more accurate than that Luck guy people proclaim as the GOAT. Since Luck is such a 'pocket passer' and Cam is not(?), that means all Luck has to worry about is completing a pass and he can barely do that. What does that say about Luck's skill set. At least Cam will also rack up 750 yards.

Although Cam is not a gifted passer like a few other NFL QBs are, for everything else he brings to the table he doesn't need to be. But Luck on the other hand is also not a gifted passer, and if you're not and don't bring anything else to the table why are you being proclaimed to be the GOAT without merit.

And to answer your question, a dynamic dual threat QB who will not leave his teammates hanging on 4th & 4 when the lane is wide open in an AFC championship game.


Wait a minute, Cam can be very accurate. We've seen him do this multiple times. I just hope/wish he wants to be better in that area. Particularly throwing with anticipation.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

There's no agenda against dual threat quarterbacks. The whole notion is silly.

The perception comes from the fact that some guys who are expected to be dual threats actually aren't.

Doesn't matter how good a runner you are. If you cannot become a consistent passer, you will not succeed in this league. That was true long before the rule changes made passing even more important than it had previously been. But in the aftermath of those changes, it's even more so.

If you can run and pass, teams will covet you.

If you can pass but can't run, teams will still want you and you can win Super Bowls.

If you can run but can't pass, teams will replace you.

And lemme tell you, that's not going to change.

Bottom Line: Newton is a guy that can do both, but he's rare. There aren't that many like him out there (if any). But even Newton's success is going to happen or not happen based on how good a passer he is. If he never ran the ball again, he could still win as long as his passing skills continue to develop.

That's just reality.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

And then again, you're a concerned fan of a team with an athletic QB. Nothing wrong with that and we can debate about his safety forever. But some people just don't like the 'new' QBs coming to the NFL. Those are the people I have a gripe against. If you don't like those 'new' QBs, you shouldn't like those 'old' WRs, CBs, RBs, TEs, DEs, etc. either. You can't hate those 'new' QBs but want your team to trade for Revis, per se, to help your pocket passer QB win games. That's too hypocritical, pathetic and I recommend hockey for their disease.

To diminish your concern, I don't know a dual threat QB whose career ever ended early do to injury. MacNabb had a long career. Only his mediocrity kept him off the field. Even vick's downfall was due to bad OL rather than downfiled injury.



i know because they got smart and stopped running. remember that high powered offense(scored the most points ever, patriots passed them in 2007) the vikings had in 1998. randall cunningham led that team to the nfc championship and should have won if randy would have caught that deep ball. who would have known that randall could be that good at passing no one because most times he was running. when he stopped running he became a superbowl worthy qb. he had 34 passing tds to only 1 rushing td. that was his best year. same thing happen with mcnabb when he went to the superbowl. both qbs had superbowl years when they ran for the least yards in there careers.

hey maybe newton can be that special guy who has 38passing tds with about 16 rushing tds and win it all....i actually think he can do it...but i think he will end up getting hurt before he could do it. but he is big and durable so who knows man......