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i hope he stays on for a while. the more help we can get, the better.

i just wish that rivera would have tried harder to get help. it's not enough to recognize you need help. you have to do something about it. hurney realized that too late and waited too long to act. I've got a fear that might be the same with rivera.

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1359393501' post='2116992']

Learned response from watching Hurney, perhaps? Hurney did use the Beathard model (trade away first rounders and such).

Could also be from watching the Patriots. They like to use the 'stockpiling picks' approach. Though in reality the Patriots drafts overall are kind of overrated. They've had some hits, but also more misses than people think.
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The Pats are also a case of just plugging make-do pieces around their brilliant core. Hell, they could have probably gotten enough out of Eric Shelton to have success. So they can get away with loading midround talent, whereas we didn't have that core in place until Cam got here.

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The worst part of this story is not so much what happened in the past, but the current state of affairs.

When the previous GM brought in another GM because he was in over his head, them the other GM turns into the search committee for the next GM. Then the new GM calls in another GM shortly after taking the job because he's having a difficult time figuring out just how screwed they are going forward.

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[quote name='Anybodyhome' timestamp='1359394042' post='2117012']
Then the new GM calls in another GM shortly after taking the job because he's having a difficult time figuring out just how screwed they are going forward.[/quote]

Except that part didn't happen.

From the story...

[quote](Accorsi) told Gettleman he might call him with suggestions if he saw the Panthers “going off the track.”

Gettleman’s response?

“He said, ‘Well, what’s new?’ ” Accorsi said.[/quote]

Accorsi offered to help if things got rough in the future. Gettleman wasn't asking, he just accepted the offer.

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[quote name='TANTRIC-NINJA' timestamp='1359393343' post='2116985']
I'm pretty sure Hurney just used a draft guide from Harris Teeter...the early ones.. Duke Robinson and Everett Brown . Early draft guides had them in the top 15 at one point.
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...lol. The real draft slide started with Eric Shelton....

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[quote name='TANTRIC-NINJA' timestamp='1359393343' post='2116985']
I'm pretty sure Hurney just used a draft guide from Harris Teeter...the early ones.. Duke Robinson and Everett Brown . Early draft guides had them in the top 15 at one point.
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You know what's funny about that?

In a radio interview a while back, Hurney made a point of saying that he never looks at draft guides and didn't see any need to.

On the flipside, in a profile article, Ravens Assistant GM Eric DeCosta said he [i]does[/i]. Not as his primary source obviously, but just as a 'covering all bases' sort of thing.

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[quote name='rodeo' timestamp='1359393818' post='2117004']

The Pats are also a case of just plugging make-do pieces around their brilliant core. Hell, they could have probably gotten enough out of Eric Shelton to have success. So they can get away with loading midround talent, whereas we didn't have that core in place until Cam got here.
[/quote]they have also been excellent at adapting what they do to what they have on roster and they pretty much do it every year.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1359394852' post='2117025']
they have also been excellent at adapting what they do to what they have on roster and they pretty much do it every year.
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I'm always amused by the contrast in approaches between the Patriots and the Steelers.

Like you said, the Patriots go after good players and adapt the system based around who they have.

The Steelers, however, have a set system that they believe in and go after the players who best fit that system.

Both teams have been perennial contenders (although the Steelers are down a bit lately) so it's interesting to debate which approach is better.

Wonder which approach Gettleman would use.

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1359395159' post='2117028']


I'm always amused by the contrast in approaches between the Patriots and the Steelers.

Like you said, the Patriots go after good players and adapt the system based around who they have.

The Steelers, however, have a set system that they believe in and go after the players who best fit that system.

Both teams have been perennial contenders (although the Steelers are down a bit lately) so it's interesting to debate which approach is better.

Wonder which approach Gettleman would use.
[/quote]i think adapting is better just because of how quickly things are evolving. steelers haven't done that so well and i think thats part of the reason for their decline.

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[quote name='rayzor' timestamp='1359395555' post='2117039']
i think adapting is better just because of how quickly things are evolving. steelers haven't done that so well and i think thats part of the reason for their decline.
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My perception of their decline has been that they've let their roster get a little old without backfilling well enough, something that's kind of uncharacteristic for them. At least that's what I've heard. I haven't analyzed their roster myself (only do that with the Panthers) :lol:

You would expect Gettleman to approach it the way the Giants do. Again, I won't claim to be an expert on the Giants, but my [i]perception[/i] is that they're an adaptive team. Statements I've heard from Gettleman make me think he leans that way too, though I suppose we'll see soon enough.

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[quote name='Scrumtrilescent' timestamp='1359393017' post='2116976']
Hurney brought in his own Bobs. Teh. Awesome.
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"what would you say ya do here?"

"well, i traded away first round picks to draft jeff otah and everette brown and dealt what wound up being the 33rd overall pick of the 2011 draft for an FCS quarterback that we tried to convert to a punt returner and wide receiver. he's fourth on the depth chart right now and may or may not even make the team this year"

*awkward silence*

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1359394848' post='2117024']

You know what's funny about that?

In a radio interview a while back, Hurney made a point of saying that he never looks at draft guides and didn't see any need to.

On the flipside, in a profile article, Ravens Assistant GM Eric DeCosta said he [i]does[/i]. Not as his primary source obviously, but just as a 'covering all bases' sort of thing.
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the only reason I got excited about Duke Robinson was bc he was the number 1 OL prospect in their rankings..which came out like before the combine...did not really check it out too much before i bought it..whats the point in being first?,,,unless its just for the dumb guys like me who did not bother to check out its validity.

I almost think Richardson hired him so he have someone to talk football with.

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