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Mr. Scot

Accorsi actually got here early

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Which is why it's always been the most baffling and annoying thing to me about our fanbase that they're so obsessed with trading down. There's barely a mock draft posted here without some weird trade down scenario.

Because who needs Luke Kuechly when you could have 4 Dan Connors?

Learned response from watching Hurney, perhaps? Hurney did use the Beathard model (trade away first rounders and such).

Could also be from watching the Patriots. They like to use the 'stockpiling picks' approach. Though in reality the Patriots drafts overall are kind of overrated. They've had some hits, but also more misses than people think.

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Not sure who.

I know we had a 'father-son' connection of sorts. Hurney's mentor was Bobby Beathard, and Hurney hired Beathard's son as a scout. Far as I know, he's still with us.

I'll try to find something on it later if I have time. I remember they had a system where they would rate players like A, B, C. etc. with A being a player who would start anywhere and should be considered a franchise building block, B was very good, etc.

They would come in once a year to give Hurney a 2nd set of eyes on the quality of our roster.

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i hope he stays on for a while. the more help we can get, the better.

i just wish that rivera would have tried harder to get help. it's not enough to recognize you need help. you have to do something about it. hurney realized that too late and waited too long to act. I've got a fear that might be the same with rivera.

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Learned response from watching Hurney, perhaps? Hurney did use the Beathard model (trade away first rounders and such).

Could also be from watching the Patriots. They like to use the 'stockpiling picks' approach. Though in reality the Patriots drafts overall are kind of overrated. They've had some hits, but also more misses than people think.

The Pats are also a case of just plugging make-do pieces around their brilliant core. Hell, they could have probably gotten enough out of Eric Shelton to have success. So they can get away with loading midround talent, whereas we didn't have that core in place until Cam got here.

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The worst part of this story is not so much what happened in the past, but the current state of affairs.

When the previous GM brought in another GM because he was in over his head, them the other GM turns into the search committee for the next GM. Then the new GM calls in another GM shortly after taking the job because he's having a difficult time figuring out just how screwed they are going forward.

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Then the new GM calls in another GM shortly after taking the job because he's having a difficult time figuring out just how screwed they are going forward.

Except that part didn't happen.

From the story...

(Accorsi) told Gettleman he might call him with suggestions if he saw the Panthers “going off the track.”

Gettleman’s response?

“He said, ‘Well, what’s new?’ ” Accorsi said.

Accorsi offered to help if things got rough in the future. Gettleman wasn't asking, he just accepted the offer.

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I'm pretty sure Hurney just used a draft guide from Harris Teeter...the early ones.. Duke Robinson and Everett Brown . Early draft guides had them in the top 15 at one point.

...lol. The real draft slide started with Eric Shelton....

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I'm pretty sure Hurney just used a draft guide from Harris Teeter...the early ones.. Duke Robinson and Everett Brown . Early draft guides had them in the top 15 at one point.

You know what's funny about that?

In a radio interview a while back, Hurney made a point of saying that he never looks at draft guides and didn't see any need to.

On the flipside, in a profile article, Ravens Assistant GM Eric DeCosta said he does. Not as his primary source obviously, but just as a 'covering all bases' sort of thing.

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The Pats are also a case of just plugging make-do pieces around their brilliant core. Hell, they could have probably gotten enough out of Eric Shelton to have success. So they can get away with loading midround talent, whereas we didn't have that core in place until Cam got here.

they have also been excellent at adapting what they do to what they have on roster and they pretty much do it every year.

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they have also been excellent at adapting what they do to what they have on roster and they pretty much do it every year.

I'm always amused by the contrast in approaches between the Patriots and the Steelers.

Like you said, the Patriots go after good players and adapt the system based around who they have.

The Steelers, however, have a set system that they believe in and go after the players who best fit that system.

Both teams have been perennial contenders (although the Steelers are down a bit lately) so it's interesting to debate which approach is better.

Wonder which approach Gettleman would use.

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