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#16 Mr. Scot

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

Then the new GM calls in another GM shortly after taking the job because he's having a difficult time figuring out just how screwed they are going forward.


Except that part didn't happen.

From the story...

(Accorsi) told Gettleman he might call him with suggestions if he saw the Panthers “going off the track.”

Gettleman’s response?

“He said, ‘Well, what’s new?’ ” Accorsi said.


Accorsi offered to help if things got rough in the future. Gettleman wasn't asking, he just accepted the offer.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

I'm pretty sure Hurney just used a draft guide from Harris Teeter...the early ones.. Duke Robinson and Everett Brown . Early draft guides had them in the top 15 at one point.


...lol. The real draft slide started with Eric Shelton....

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

I'm pretty sure Hurney just used a draft guide from Harris Teeter...the early ones.. Duke Robinson and Everett Brown . Early draft guides had them in the top 15 at one point.


You know what's funny about that?

In a radio interview a while back, Hurney made a point of saying that he never looks at draft guides and didn't see any need to.

On the flipside, in a profile article, Ravens Assistant GM Eric DeCosta said he does. Not as his primary source obviously, but just as a 'covering all bases' sort of thing.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

The Pats are also a case of just plugging make-do pieces around their brilliant core. Hell, they could have probably gotten enough out of Eric Shelton to have success. So they can get away with loading midround talent, whereas we didn't have that core in place until Cam got here.

they have also been excellent at adapting what they do to what they have on roster and they pretty much do it every year.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

they have also been excellent at adapting what they do to what they have on roster and they pretty much do it every year.


I'm always amused by the contrast in approaches between the Patriots and the Steelers.

Like you said, the Patriots go after good players and adapt the system based around who they have.

The Steelers, however, have a set system that they believe in and go after the players who best fit that system.

Both teams have been perennial contenders (although the Steelers are down a bit lately) so it's interesting to debate which approach is better.

Wonder which approach Gettleman would use.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

I'm always amused by the contrast in approaches between the Patriots and the Steelers.

Like you said, the Patriots go after good players and adapt the system based around who they have.

The Steelers, however, have a set system that they believe in and go after the players who best fit that system.

Both teams have been perennial contenders (although the Steelers are down a bit lately) so it's interesting to debate which approach is better.

Wonder which approach Gettleman would use.

i think adapting is better just because of how quickly things are evolving. steelers haven't done that so well and i think thats part of the reason for their decline.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

i think adapting is better just because of how quickly things are evolving. steelers haven't done that so well and i think thats part of the reason for their decline.


My perception of their decline has been that they've let their roster get a little old without backfilling well enough, something that's kind of uncharacteristic for them. At least that's what I've heard. I haven't analyzed their roster myself (only do that with the Panthers) :lol:

You would expect Gettleman to approach it the way the Giants do. Again, I won't claim to be an expert on the Giants, but my perception is that they're an adaptive team. Statements I've heard from Gettleman make me think he leans that way too, though I suppose we'll see soon enough.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Hurney brought in his own Bobs. Teh. Awesome.


"what would you say ya do here?"

"well, i traded away first round picks to draft jeff otah and everette brown and dealt what wound up being the 33rd overall pick of the 2011 draft for an FCS quarterback that we tried to convert to a punt returner and wide receiver. he's fourth on the depth chart right now and may or may not even make the team this year"

*awkward silence*

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:07 PM

You know what's funny about that?

In a radio interview a while back, Hurney made a point of saying that he never looks at draft guides and didn't see any need to.

On the flipside, in a profile article, Ravens Assistant GM Eric DeCosta said he does. Not as his primary source obviously, but just as a 'covering all bases' sort of thing.

the only reason I got excited about Duke Robinson was bc he was the number 1 OL prospect in their rankings..which came out like before the combine...did not really check it out too much before i bought it..whats the point in being first?,,,unless its just for the dumb guys like me who did not bother to check out its validity.

I almost think Richardson hired him so he have someone to talk football with.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:11 PM

"what would you say ya do here?"

"well, i traded away first round picks to draft jeff otah and everette brown and dealt what wound up being the 33rd overall pick of the 2011 draft for an FCS quarterback that we tried to convert to a punt returner and wide receiver. he's fourth on the depth chart right now and may or may not even make the team this year"

*awkward silence*

it's amazing he had his job long enough to do all that.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:18 PM

the only reason I got excited about Duke Robinson was bc he was the number 1 OL prospect in their rankings..which came out like before the combine...did not really check it out too much before i bought it..whats the point in being first?,,,unless its just for the dumb guys like me who did not bother to check out its validity.

I almost think Richardson hired him so he have someone to talk football with.


I get hold of every draft preview and football magazine I can on an annual basis. I don't generally throw the previews away either. Guess I'm a bona fide junkie.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

Player evaluation is something that has been sorely lacking in the Panthers org. We've nailed our 1st round picks, but really how hard is that? Pick BPA and you are generally good to go... otherwise (with some exceptions of course) our mid - low round picks haven't been that great...


Harder than you think.. Close to 50% of the first round picks taken prove not to be worthy of the selection down the road.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

it's amazing he had his job long enough to do all that.


he should have been hosed off the deck midseason 2010 with fox following him the minute the falcons got done reaming us.

it's true that he may have been swallowed up in a crisis of richardson's own doing but the NFL isn't fair and doesn't account for that.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:50 PM

Player evaluation is something that has been sorely lacking in the Panthers org. We've nailed our 1st round picks, but really how hard is that? Pick BPA and you are generally good to go... otherwise (with some exceptions of course) our mid - low round picks haven't been that great...

i think it's pretty hard, i can't think of any team that has had our first round success, minus trading next years first for a second. some say rounds 3-7 are the most important, which i don't disagree, but a first bust can be detrimental and we have been fortunate enough to evade that under Hurns. We can pick out quite a few guys from the past 5 drafts and see there are plenty of bad picks in the first round, suggesting that it isn't as easy as you believe.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

My perception of their decline has been that they've let their roster get a little old without backfilling well enough, something that's kind of uncharacteristic for them. At least that's what I've heard. I haven't analyzed their roster myself (only do that with the Panthers) :lol:

You would expect Gettleman to approach it the way the Giants do. Again, I won't claim to be an expert on the Giants, but my perception is that they're an adaptive team. Statements I've heard from Gettleman make me think he leans that way too, though I suppose we'll see soon enough.

i agree. he seems to be a lot more adaptive and opportunistic than anything else, same with the giants culture. that hasn't been our culture.


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