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What does Gettleman need to do to make you optimistic for 2013?


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#51 Keep Pounding

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:17 AM

I am confused on how the cap works.

I thought if we trade a player, the new team inherits the remainder of the contract.

Also I thought the upcoming players that we draft this year, will not count towards the cap until the following year.

??????????

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:25 AM

he's pretty much been handed a shitsandwich, cap wise. I don't see many upgrades being made, so he's going to have to maximize the draft. Though evaluating personnel is his best attribute, the deck is stacked against him this year

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:12 AM

Why are the exact same scouts here ? Why has the scouting department not had bodies added ? If the idea is to build from the draft and supplement with FA why do we not heavily invest in scouting ?


He's driving now. His experience alone is good enough. Add the fact that he's there and its not Hurney. I for one feel reassured. Remember, scouts did their jobs, Hurney was the one pulling the trigger based on the information the scouts supplied. Who's to say that maybe the scouts gave him the right choices but Hurney picked the wrong player.

Could work both ways, I know. But from what I'm reading and hearing about Gettleman, he will be a lot more thorough with this process than Hurney.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:41 AM

One of you better tell Gentleman that he has no pressure to win in his first season.

That is pretty comical poo.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:10 AM

I am confused on how the cap works.

I thought if we trade a player, the new team inherits the remainder of the contract.

Also I thought the upcoming players that we draft this year, will not count towards the cap until the following year.

??????????

Simplified, if we sign a player for a 20 million dollar contract over 5 years, but pay him 10 of it in a signing bonus, the cap hit for the first year is 4 million and not 12 million, the bonus is pro-rated. But in year three, if we cut him, we absorb the 6 million he has remaining of the pro-rated bonus. There are other ways that the way a contract is structured can mess up your cap if you cut the player, but that's the easiest one to understand.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:17 AM

He's driving now. His experience alone is good enough. Add the fact that he's there and its not Hurney. I for one feel reassured. Remember, scouts did their jobs, Hurney was the one pulling the trigger based on the information the scouts supplied. Who's to say that maybe the scouts gave him the right choices but Hurney picked the wrong player.

Could work both ways, I know. But from what I'm reading and hearing about Gettleman, he will be a lot more thorough with this process than Hurney.

That good and fine, but you know what is better than a few good scouts ? A poo ton of good scouts.




One of you better tell Gentleman that he has no pressure to win in his first season.

That is pretty comical poo.


Your reading comprehension needs work my friend.
This team has issues, some pretty severe. People aren't giving up, but the future has more ? marks than many would like.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:42 AM

This article says we are roughly 11.8 million over the cap once the carry over money is figured in. If we use the numbers in this thread. Cutting Gamble, Ron Edwards and Nakumura get you even.
So even if we keep Williams, Gross and Beason but restructure the deals for a few million apiece we are sitting 6-8 million under the cap which covers your rookies. You cut Tolbert, cut Onatolu, restructure Godfrey, restructure Dwan Edwards and cut Armanti and you have 5 or 6 million more.
And who have we gotten rid of really?? I think we can cut Pickles and save a few million more. Yeah a rookie would be better or a minimum vet guy from another team. I don't see that cutting a lot of useless guys will keep us out of free agency or doom us to suck. We have had a number of guys who have seriously underperformed but got paid well for nothing.


http://www.catscratchreader.com/2013/1/27/3922826/the-salary-cap-situation


I agree with everything you said except cutting Tolbert. We should try to trade Stewart, who although younger seems to have chronic foot/ankle problems. Williams (who probably has 2-3 years left) and Tolbert make a good enough tandem at RB with Tauren Poole and Armond Smith contending for the 3rd RB/ST/depth. I like Stewart, but he and Tolbert are basically the same physical style RB and I was somewhat suprised that we resigned Stewart after we got Tolbert last year.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:49 AM

I agree with everything you said except cutting Tolbert. We should try to trade Stewart, who although younger seems to have chronic foot/ankle problems. Williams (who probably has 2-3 years left) and Tolbert make a good enough tandem at RB with Tauren Poole and Armond Smith contending for the 3rd RB/ST/depth. I like Stewart, but he and Tolbert are basically the same physical style RB and I was somewhat suprised that we resigned Stewart after we got Tolbert last year.


The reason for cutting Tolbert is that he is due a 1 million dollar roster bonus in March. If we cut him we save that. The problem with cutting or trading Stewart is that his guaranteed money escalates and we get little benefit from cutting him. Plus any cut would be after June 1st which doesn't help us get below the cap before free agency starts. I like Tolbert in short yardage situations and on the screen, I just don't think we can keep everyone.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

Nothing he can do. The main problem is higher in the food chain than Gettleman.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:01 AM

Yes, kurb , the team has issues.

That doesn't change the goal for next season. The goal of winning a championship. The Superbowl.




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