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The 2nd Amendment

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Even with the severe handicap of including the city of Chicago, the state of Illinois ranks lower in the percentage of deaths by firearms than North Carolina. http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=113&cat=2 Gun control, is only part of an overall approach to reducing firearm deaths, but there is ample evidence, even after the concerted efforts of the gun lobby to suppress research, that easy access to firearms significantly increases the chance of dying from a gunshot wound. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470

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A fairer comparison would be to compare gun deaths in different places at the same time. States are laboratories for democracy, culture, and social policy. For example, my home state of New Jersey is #49 out of 50 in per-capita gun ownership. Only Hawaii is lower. And we are ranked #47 out of 50 in the rate of gun death. (These are good things – I am not enthusiastic at the thought of the cast of Jersey Shore packing heat.)

Based on statistics on gun ownership and deaths, the overall tendency is clear:

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The three states with the highest rate of gun ownership (MT, AK, WY) have a gun death rate of 17.8 per 100,000, over 4 times that of the three lowest-ownership states (HI, NJ, MA; 4.0 gun deaths per 100,000). The relationship is a near-perfect linear proportion: on average, as G goes up, D goes up (r=+0.63). These data suggest that whether or not our society finds it desirable, gun safety/control is a plausible means of reducing gun deaths. http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/22/scientific-americans-gun-error/

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Mass murder sprees in this country via highly efficient firearms will continue unchecked until society finally reaches the point where the status quo becomes unacceptable. The NRA/firearm industry lobbyists are using the same playbook as the tobacco industry lobbyists used for decades, trying to undermine truth with pseudoscience and outright lies. Back in the day, millions of addicted smokers advocated for their unalienable right as Americans to endanger family members, coworkers and innocent bystanders with clouds of cancer causing smoke. At first the idea of regulating smokers seemed to be a ridiculous pipe dream of a few extremists, but with education and time, Americans came to favor it. Firearm and ammo sales/usage will undoubtedly be more strictly regulated (not banned) once Americans are better informed and realize a change is needed. It is simply a matter of time.

ugh...

That sounds like some huffington post bullshit.

It has less to do with 'the NRA and firearms lobby' than it does with people who are not brainwashed by media, and realize that a government that they no longer trust is trying to disarm the public.

The Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper without the 2nd amendment which protects it. The Constitution was written 'specifically' to protect us from our own government, and for that reason alone.

By the way, I have never read an NRA publication in my life, but instead I have an understanding of what our founders intended for us, and that was a government by and for the people. The rich elite (the people that the 'left' are supposed to be fighting against) are the people behind the disarmament movement, and you guys are diving in head first...

They dont want to give you some kind of (impossible) gun-free utopia world that we all want... they just want to be the only people that are allowed to have them so that they can oppress everyone else with them.

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ugh...

That sounds like some huffington post bullshit.

It has less to do with 'the NRA and firearms lobby' than it does with people who are not brainwashed by media, and realize that a government that they no longer trust is trying to disarm the public.

The Constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper without the 2nd amendment which protects it. The Constitution was written 'specifically' to protect us from our own government, and for that reason alone.

By the way, I have never read an NRA publication in my life, but instead I have an understanding of what our founders intended for us, and that was a government by and for the people. The rich elite (the people that the 'left' are supposed to be fighting against) are the people behind the disarmament movement, and you guys are diving in head first...

They dont want to give you some kind of (impossible) gun-free utopia world that we all want... they just want to be the only people that are allowed to have them so that they can oppress everyone else with them.

I am not as nearly concerned about an highly unlikely scenario that encourages paranoid behavior and conveniently serves the gun lobby's primary goal of increasing firearm/ammo sales. To put this in perspective, 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan combined, resulted in about 10,000 American deaths. During that same 10-year period, according to government data, gun homicides alone resulted in more than 110,000 American deaths. Where should this country's primary focus combating violence be, overseas or at home? It seems to me some of the most successful brainwashing is being perpetrated by the gun lobby on those Americans who think they are statistically safer with a firearm in their home. I support the second amendment. What I don't support is the interpretation that there can be no regulation of that amendment.

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ugh...

That sounds like some huffington post bullshit.

Thanks! :cool:

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Newtown CT has a population of 27,000 / 23 murders = a murder for every 1173 people

Chicago IL has a population of 2,700,000 /500 murders = a murder for every 5400 people

Is Newtown CT a more dangerous city than Chicago IL?

According to this it is 4.5x more dangerous than the "warzone" of Chicago with roving bands of murderers and rapists

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Panthro has 2 guns in his house.

I have 1

Panthro's house is 100% more dangerous than mine.

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Thanks! :cool:

That was your own work you posted earlier in this thread?

I figured it was HuffPo because only they think that the NRA is some evil organization.

Most firearms owners dont care about or read any NRA publications. It is mainly just a favorite target of the anti-gun lobby because they know that it is a Constitutional right to bear arms, and they have created this fictional monster to play the 'bogieman' for their readers. (Just the same as the Republicans trying to scare their constituents by saying the word 'Socialism' over and over... it just isnt true.)

If not for the left lashing out at the NRA, they would have to lash out at the Constitution itself, and they know they that would be counter-productive.

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Panthro has 2 guns in his house.

I have 1

Panthro's house is 100% more dangerous than mine.

That would be an interesting statistic. Does increasing the number of guns in a household make it a more dangerous place.

The only stat I can collect on it so far is I or my family have 0% of dying by a gun I own if I do not own one.

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That would be an interesting statistic. Does increasing the number of guns in a household make it a more dangerous place.

The only stat I can collect on it so far is I or my family have 0% of dying by a gun I own if I do not own one.

That is pretty amazing math.

You also have 0% of defending your family against an armed intruder if you do not own a gun as well.

We can do better than this.

/runs off to tag Panthro in a facebook post.

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