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#16 cookinwithgas

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

I think my mom gave you a disease that is now liquifying your brain.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

Mr. Ratliff’s passion for firearms made him something of a celebrity on the Internet, where he helped make scores of videos about high-powered and exotic guns and explosives. His YouTube channel, called FPSRussia, became the site’s ninth largest, with nearly 3.5 million subscribers and more than 500 million views. http://www.nytimes.c...odayspaper&_r=2
Ratliff, a firearms expert, was surrounded by guns on January 3rd when he was shot and killed. Despite his skill and his personal arsenal he was unable to defend himself. His attacker, whom he probably knew, had the element of surprise in his favor. Unlike Adam Lanza's mother, Ratliff was not killed by his own gun, nor is there is evidence to suggest that Ratliff was irresponsible in how he handled his guns. We do not know yet how exactly he was killed, but what we do know is that his personal arsenal and his shooting prowess were not sufficient to prevent him from being murdered. The guns may have provided him with an illusion of safety, but even with all his skill and experience he was unable to defend himself. http://www.examiner....e-not-more-safe
The news, coming amid a national debate about gun control, rippled across the blogs and social networking sites where his videos were popular. Tributes on Facebook and Twitter came from fans stunned that such a well-armed expert had not been able to defend himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMetDYGmfV4&feature=share&list=UUmNzgJJjGo5mleo62q8daJA

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

Pretty sure possessing a firearm makes you more safe than without.

Ask the lady that got robbed while getting money out of the ATM this morning here in the small town of Leicester NC. Just opened her passenger door and took her purse.

We also have started a coalition against home invasions here in Leicester. 24 break ins/ thefts to local businesses and residences in thepast week. We are calling for their detainment or death. And that's what they deserve.


How many murders?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:39 PM

not trying to derail and still within context.

something i have been trying to figure out is there has been talk to have more armed officers etc at school and the counter to that is well they won't have enough firepower or time etc.

yet the answer is more background checks, less magazine capacity etc and NO armed officers and somehow THAT is going to make a school safer? we all just hope the background checks etc catch enough bad fish and nobody slips thru the cracks?
sorry but that doesn't make me feel safe nor do i think it makes kids safer.

gotta do both. not one or the other.

we now bring you your reguarly scheduled thread, already in progress.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

Theres no such thing as an "answer". This is a false conceit used by the NRA to discredit anything involving firearm regulations.

There IS such a thing as "less likely to happen" or "less loss of life when it does happen" which is the goal. It's not all that quantifiable, but it does not mean it should not be done.

Yes we know about percentages of handgun vs. big gun murders. Yes we know how long it takes to change a magazine. These things are entirely beside the point, which is to start the process of making guns less glamorous, less a woven part of everyday life, less likely in anyway to be stolen, bought, whatever, by people who have no business with them. The ideas on the gun side are complimented by ideas from other areas.

We CAN do something; we can't do everything.

#21 SZ James (banned)

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

Theres no such thing as an "answer". This is a false conceit used by the NRA to discredit anything involving firearm regulations.

There IS such a thing as "less likely to happen" or "less loss of life when it does happen" which is the goal. It's not all that quantifiable, but it does not mean it should not be done.

Yes we know about percentages of handgun vs. big gun murders. Yes we know how long it takes to change a magazine. These things are entirely beside the point, which is to start the process of making guns less glamorous, less a woven part of everyday life, less likely in anyway to be stolen, bought, whatever, by people who have no business with them. The ideas on the gun side are complimented by ideas from other areas.

We CAN do something; we can't do everything.


preach

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

talk to hollywood about romancing guns. the % of guns in movies blow cigarette use away.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

But my grandfather smoked 2 packs a day and HE never got cancer.

Oh sorry. Wrong thread.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

talk to hollywood about romancing guns. the % of guns in movies blow cigarette use away.


art > life

not the other way around

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:22 AM

Keep your d@mn finger off the trigger and you will have no problems...




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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

If only the mainstream media boys vow their lives to ever see that they are being lied to.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:50 AM

art > life

not the other way around


it could be a vicious cycle as well.

im not fully blaming film. cwg mentioned romancing guns and what bigger platform of romancing than cinema?

there is a reason a grass roots push to get cigarettes of the screen was made.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:54 AM

How many murders?

You have a right to protect your property, not just your life. It is at the owner's discretion whether or not he feels his property is valuable enough to protect by using a weapon or to just allow someone to waltz in and take their stuff without putting up a fight because you feel confident enough that the masked man with a gun won't hurt you. Also, what about the possibility of sexual assaults? I would be willing to risk my life to prevent an intruder/predator from assaulting a loved one.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:02 AM

David Wheeler testifies to the Connecticut Legislature about gun control.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:12 AM

You have a right to protect your property, not just your life. It is at the owner's discretion whether or not he feels his property is valuable enough to protect by using a weapon or to just allow someone to waltz in and take their stuff without putting up a fight because you feel confident enough that the masked man with a gun won't hurt you. Also, what about the possibility of sexual assaults? I would be willing to risk my life to prevent an intruder/predator from assaulting a loved one.


if your property is "valuable enough to protect by using a weapon" you should reevaluate your life


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