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Armed guard stopped the Atlanta school shooter

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I'm curious as to why an armed off-duty cop is any different to an armed on-duty cop to you?

Did it say why that cop was there? His kid is there... something like that?

It didn't say anything and I'm assuming nothing...

... just asking the questions.

And there is a huge difference between and armed on- duty vs. off-duty cop. In most states, off-duty cops cannot carry their service weapon- if they choose to carry off-duty it must be their personal weapon. And no, I'm not assuming which it was in this case, either.

And, in most states, off-duty cops carry far less authority than on-duty. For example, an off-duty cop cannot attempt to pull you over in his own car.

A former police officer in my city lost his job and the department was sued when an off-duty cop first pulled over a woman while he was driving his personal vehicle, flashed her his badge and reportedly showed her he was carrying his service weapon when she questioned what he wanted. There was no probable cause, witnesses said he maneuvered his vehicle in an unsafe manner and no one believed he was a cop so he started with the badge and gun thing.

And the complete opposite could be true of your questions. Maybe the cop has no kids, may he's a pedo and took the job as an SRO just to be around kids.... jus' sayin' you gotta ask all the questions.

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It's not the "armed guard" thing that's inherently bad (although these guards are mostly in high schools where gang violence is a bigger problem). It's the thinking behind it, that the ONLY solution for gun violence is....more guns. It's a terrible thing for our kids to have to accept, and something we as adults should be working to reverse.

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i dont think many are saying JUST having armed guards is the only way. i'm certainly not. but multi pronged approach certainly can't hurt.

if we are going to have an upheaval of health care instead of focusing on the uninsured first, i don't see why this can't be walked thru and done smartly.

after 9/11 you saw more police presence at parking decks and buildings and games and such. sometimes the mere presence can be all the deterrent needed.

if an armed person knows in advance that a person or persons are armed at a school, suddenly they have to change their mind. that alone is one of the cheapest and easiest things to implement.

gas stations have cops parked there all the time. why? just to surf the net and drink coffee? no. well, maybe. but ever notice how those places never seemed to get robbed?

i think the reason many oppose armed guards is it takes away the sting of being able to reach deeper into someones ability to own firearms.

do both. guards AND smarter gun laws. it makes sense.

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Of course it was...in the form of grants. Now tell me why the NRA is catching hell.

Because they're a pos organization.

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Because they're a pos organization.

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Let's all become a bigger police state, while masking the real issue at hand. Yayyyyy for incompetence everyone.

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How is it that the very same people that said we had to cut back on federal aid for union teachers and cops last year, are now in favor of increasing funding for union cops and presumably training and arming union teacher's too? How is that possible? Do my ears deceive me, big government has the answer? Is the GOP now saying federal spending creates jobs? Careful GOP, you might stimulate the economy too much with all this Keynesian spending and make President Obama even more popular than he already is. :startle: Hope this sudden 180 degree change in thinking isn't just the result of the GOP's slavish tendency to follow any and all directives of the NRA and their corporate overlords. Nah, that can't be it.

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Don't forget the same political party that took ObamaCare to the Supreme Court and the IRA are now both squarely in favor of increased mental health care spending. How hypocritical does that make the Republicans look about now? But, in true right-wing fashion, they'll bitch about every suggestion put on the table while coming up with nothing of their own.

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Some of you guys are a bit dim. The NRA brought up the idea of armed guards.

The right wanted to do voter id in some states and drug testing for welfare in others. That would have some increase.

But since armed guards is a bad idea we can shut down secret service right? Why even pay cops?

if money for a smart feasible solution is needed it will cost money. This whiny oh now you guys want big govt is petty and dumb and shows why nothing gets done.

Let's make it a right vs left instead of a practical vs expensive deal.

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Why would the federal government be put on the hook for the cost?

Most of us bitch about federal government spending, not state and local as much. This should be a local, possibly a state deal, but local would be smarter.

Let the counties worry about this one, and keep the federal governments paws off just a sliver of the school system.

Sometimes I wonder if you "well he did this" addicts can think clearly any more.

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No one is arguing against it. We're just pointing out the screaming hypocrisy that shows what many of have been saying for years: conservatives don't hate government spending- they hate government spending on things they don't like.

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It seems like just last year when all my gun nut friends were cheering on the idea of the Federal government telling local authorities that they should not be able to restrict concealed carry laws in their own jurisdictions

Oh wait it was just last year

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