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For young NFL QB watchers and Panther fans: If you missed it, Warren Moon was on CBS Superbowl Live show (CBS Sports Network) yesterday, along with Doug Williams earlier discussing Cam, Russell Wilson, RG3 prominently and Kaepernick (to a lesser degree).

Williams came up first. But I'm posting Moon ahead, who's segment had the more prominent discussion about Cam, Wilson and RG3 (and originally, I was only going to do Moon's comments). Lol.

This is for the Huddler's that missed it, and would like to know what was said on a Network show from two legends to their respective host/NFL players, regarding players of local interest in Cam and Russell Wilson (with RG3 and Kaepernick thrown in). The shows host were Greg Gumbel, London Fletcher and Solomon Wilcots. It's a decent sized post. But they had a decent sized, good discussion you usually don't get on a national show or network.

After discussing his college, CFL career, and the in-exact science of NFL drafting (Moon wasn't drafted), London Fletcher asked Moon (kinda out the blue) about mentoring Cam, and he said:

"Tremendous athletic talent"..."When you first meet him, it's "Overwhelming. He's like 6'6", 250lbs (you can overhear someone off camera go "geesh")"... "He can make every throw in the book"... "And there's no hitch in his throw, so you don't have to worry about that".... 'A Mis-understood kid, cause of the controversy in College'...Wilcots interrupts and says "You gave the dimensions of Cam Newton, he's almost out of Central casting [right]". Simultaneously chatter and murmuring for a bit, then Moon says, "yeah, If you were going to build a Quarterback (you hear collective agreement), Cam would be the one". I'm sure Huddler's liked that/those comment/s. Lol.

Moon (who, by the way, always gives excellent analysis on Cam's talents), added later, that Cam and the other new young gun QB's need to really be on top of everything and know football from both sides (offense and defenses), film study, time given and especially from the neck up, along with their professional approach. He felt the "Neck Up" was really important and stressed it.

He also talked about how hard you must study and how other players can follow you based off that hard work. It's leading by example. He added, that's what Russell Wilson did with Seattle.

Moon, a current Seattle Seahawk broadcaster went on to say: 'Mature beyond his years at 24 yrs old'... 'Father mentored him very well. Had him out at 9:30am on weekends, throwing out routes', etc...'The way this guy takes care of his body and eats. It takes guys years to learn this, and he came into the league like that.' Moon also felt the baseball experience, may have matured him as well.

Moon said other Seattle players wondered about Wilson, when he first got there, like "Is he a suck up to the coach or something"?. Almost like he was too good to be true. LOL. And Moon says "no, he just works that hard". Great story.

About the proliferation of good young QB's in the NFL recently, Moon said 'they learn passing earlier now (spread offenses in college) and are tutored at a younger age (he said he's tutoring some high schoolers himself now)'. Remember Huddler's, both Cam and Luck had George Whitfield as a QB guru (note: another Moon connection/recommendation, since Oliver Luck, played back up to Moon with the Oilers, and they're still friends), besides Cam having Weinke and Dorsey later at IMG.

London Fletcher, added both RG3 (mentioned his locker was next to his) and Wilson have the "It factor". And for the Cam nuts, feeling neglected: If I remember correctly, London Fletcher was the same Redskin that bigged up Cam a lot last year and talked about that great over the shoulder throw he made to Smith in the left corner of the end zone. Remember that throw? yeah, it was beautiful. So let him give RG3 a little love.

Earlier, Superbowl winning, Washington Redskins QB, Doug Williams was on preceding moon, waxing poetic about his historical Superbowl win, the Rooney Rule, and the much discussed young group of "mobile QB's invading the league the past two seasons (you got the sense he got to see RG3 and Cam play--who he noted more than the other two).

Williams summarized, "pocket QB's aren't going anywhere". He later added, "you see the beauty of Russel Wilson, Robert Griffith, Kaepernick and Cam Newton; not only do they have unique abilities (i.e. can run), but they can also throw the football from the pocket". About his historical and their current performances, Williams said "It's all about an opportunity. If you give a man an opportunity, no telling what he can do".....True indeed!

CBS Sports has a video of Williams speaking about himself, the Rooney Rule, etc., but none of him discussing the 'new' QB's. Nonetheless, I'll leave that link. So far, there is no video of Moon's talk. But if/when I see it, I'll post it. Don't worry, my quotes, paraphrases and summaries are well representative of the overall discussion. Here's D. Williams video, with out the young QB talk.

[url="http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/nfl/At13Dz9i35W_/doug-williams-talks-career-and-rooney-rule"]http://www.cbssports...and-rooney-rule[/url]
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when Cam puts it all together from the "neck-up"..........look out!

when he gets smarter (football wise)...........he'll make our WR's and TE's better .

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love warren moon the greatest qb with dan marino.lol so underrated. wish he could have played in the nfl from the start.

i think he won 5 straight championship titles in the cfl...lol crazy.



my current rankings for the young qbs..
1.cam
2.wilson
3.rg3/kap
4.luck
5.dalton
6.ponder
7.weeden
8.tannehill
9.locker
10.gabbert(lol)

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[quote name='BigSyke' timestamp='1359826974' post='2121725']
love warren moon the greatest qb with dan marino.lol so underrated. wish he could have played in the nfl from the start.

i think he won 5 straight championship titles in the cfl...lol crazy.



my current rankings for the young qbs..
1.cam
2.wilson
3.rg3/kap
4.luck
5.dalton
6.ponder
7.weeden
8.tannehill
9.locker
10.gabbert(lol)
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Yes, unless I'm forgetting someone, you can argue that [b]Marino and Warren Moon [/b]were the two greatest QB's never to win an NFL title. I know you can throw [b]Dan Fouts[/b] in that group as well, cause I don't think he won a title either?

My list (for what ever that's worth)

1) Cam-poor record. But competitive team. And no young QB carries a bigger burden. Great Physical & skill set.
2) Wilson-you can even place Wilson ahead of Cam & Luck as a overall passing QB. Cam's size & legs edge past him.
3) Luck-Has big load to carry like Cam. Like Wilson & Cam, can truly throw from the pocket. Underrated scrambler. Mixes it up around the field.
4) Kap-maybe ahead of Luck? Juries still out on his small sample size. Seems jittery in pocket with time.
5) RG3-would have had him here before the injury. Maybe a head of Kaep before. Too much motion in the pocket. Rarely stands still and surveys.
6) Dalton-Decent QB. Average, inaccurate arm, with all world WR that bails him out too often.
7) Tannehill-Good athleticism and arm. Just needs patience. Maybe be 5th or 6h on this list next year. Promising!
8) Ponder. Decent game manager type QB, who can hold down the fort. Competent.
9) Locker-great athleticism, but learning curve hasn't caught up to him yet. Hasn't made CK2000 better. And he needs it. LOL
10) Weeden-Let's see what Chud can do with him?
11) Gabbert-Just awful. But he's working at it. He better. May lose his job soon?

PS: I know he's third year. So I won't list him. But [b]Stafford[/b] (who's very inconsistent and a stat padder), would fall in the Cam, Luck, Wilson category of proficient young NFL pocket passers. He has a great arm & size as well.

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[quote name='FootballMaestro' timestamp='1359828115' post='2121735']
Yes, unless I'm forgetting someone, you can argue that Marino and Warren Moon were the two greatest QB's never to win an NFL title. I know you can throw Dan Fouts in that group as well, cause I don't think he won a title either?
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yeah i got list that says him. also fran,sonny,anderson and cunningham. they were all in the top t0 of best qbs to never win a super bowl. i would mention mcnabb and jim kelly too... damn lol

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[quote name='FootballMaestro' timestamp='1359828115' post='2121735']
Yes, unless I'm forgetting someone, you can argue that Marino and Warren Moon were the two greatest QB's never to win an NFL title. I know you can throw Dan Fouts in that group as well, cause I don't think he won a title either?

My list (for what ever that's worth)

1) Cam-poor record. But competitive team. And no young QB carries a bigger burden.
2) Wilson-you an even place Wilson ahead of Cam as an overall passing QB.
3) Luck-Has more of a load to carry like Cam. Like Wison & Cam, can throw from the pocket
4) Kap-maybe ahead of Luck. Juries still out on his small sample size. Seems jerky in pocket.
5) RG3-would have had him here before the injury. Maybe a head of Kaep before. Too much motion in the pocket.
6) Dalton-Decent QB. Average, inaccurate arm, with all world QB that bails him out.
7) Tannehill-Good athleticism and arm. Just needs patience. Maybe be 5th or 6h on this list next year.
8) Locker-great athleticim, but learning curve hasn't caught up to him yet. Hasn't made CK2000 better.
9) Weeden-Let's see what Chud can do with him?
10) Gabbert-Just awful. May lose his job soon?
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where is ponder lol and im sure you mean dalton has an all world wr(aj green).

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[quote name='BigSyke' timestamp='1359828582' post='2121737']
yeah i got list that says him. also fran,sammy,sonny,anderson and cunningham. they were all in the top t0 of best qbs to never win a super bowl. i would mention mcnabb and jim kelly too... damn lol
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Yeah, I forgot about Jim Kelly to. He went to 4 superbowls, with a great offense. A Norwood FG short, against the Giants, and he could have had at least one. Damn, I did forget him! LOL

Randall Cunningham was great to. But of course, he has a lot of competition, for best QB's who never won a Supe Bowl. LOL

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great post! I wish I could have heard it

My list would be.


1. Cam (By Far!!!)
2. Dalton (dont hate!!!! going into his 3rd year as opposed to his 2 will be a big deal)
3. Rg3
4. Wilson
5. Ponder
6. Luck
7. Kaep (he just doesn't have the experience)
8. Tannehill
10. Weeden, Gabbert, Locker.


And dont forget Dan Fouts (never won a superbowl).
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I'm jealous of Kaepernick... He wouldn't seem nearly as good if it weren't for the team. I bet I could go out there and run for 20 yards untouched with that oline. ..and that's saying something. He is not nearly as good as he is made out to be...

And look at his arms. The dude looks like a thug out there.

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1359828951' post='2121744']
great post! I wish I could have heard it

My list would be.


1. Cam (By Far!!!)
2. Dalton (dont hate!!!! going into his 3rd year as opposed to his 2 will be a big deal)
3. Rg3
4. Wilson
5. Ponder
6. Luck
7. Kaep (he just doesn't have the experience)
8. Tannehill
10. Weeden, Gabbert, Locker.


And dont forget Dan Fouts (never won a superbowl).
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Dude your'e putting Ponder ahead of Luck? I'm sorry man but I don't see it at all lol.

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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1359828951' post='2121744']
great post! I wish I could have heard it

My list would be.


1. Cam (By Far!!!)
[b]2. Dalton (dont hate!!!! going into his 3rd year as opposed to his 2 will be a big deal)[/b]
3. Rg3
4. Wilson
5. Ponder
6. Luck
7. Kaep (he just doesn't have the experience)
8. Tannehill
10. Weeden, Gabbert, Locker.


[b]And dont forget Dan Fouts (never won a superbowl)[/b].
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No problem, it's all our opinions!

Go for it! :sword:

And I agree wit Dan Fouts. That's why I listed him. lol. However, since you brought him up, I went back and bolded his name, just so he doesn't seem left out or neglected. LOL

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[quote name='FootballMaestro' timestamp='1359829896' post='2121752']
No problem, it's all our opinions!

Go for it! :sword:

And I agree wit Dan Fouts. That's why I listed him. lol. However, since you brought him up, I went back and bolded his name, just so he doesn't seem left out or neglected. LOL
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lol, I completely missed it!! sorry

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[quote name='The Huddler' timestamp='1359829251' post='2121746']
Dude your'e putting Ponder ahead of Luck? I'm sorry man but I don't see it at all lol.
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I hear you, but Luck just doesn't impress me. He reminds me of Bradford a little. Not necessarily in style, but in the hype surrounding him. Also, it is really hard for me to put a rookie ahead of a vet, even if the vet is only in his second or 3rd year.
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[quote name='carpantherfan84' timestamp='1359831960' post='2121768']

I hear you, but Luck just doesn't impress me. He reminds me of Bradford a little. Not necessarily in style, but in the hype surrounding him. Also, it is really hard for me to put a rookie ahead of a vet, even if the vet is only in his second or 3rd year.
[/quote]I just feel Ponder is really really bad lol. just inept

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Folks,
I am a bit surprised by the lack of love for Andrew Luck. That team barely won 2 games before he was drafted. They lost a ton of talent. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year and he, with a poor offensive line and 1 legit receiver (do you know who their RB is? probably not) took them to the dance. He offensive statistics were amazing.

Russell WIlson has a great defense, which gives him more chances and allows the play calling to be more aggressive.

RGIII is very good, but his numbers are a bit inflated because many of his passes were short, safe ones. Still, he is the real deal.

Tannehill will be very good with patience. Whoever said that--right on.

Cam is the same. He is such an incredible athlete, people expect incredible all the time. He needs a RT and RG and for Silatolu to get better. A WR too. What he did with a rookie LG, a backup center, a scrub at RG and a weak RT is amazing. Wait until Gettlemen gets him a line and an option beyond Smitty and Olsen.

Wilson is a good player, but he will get figured out.

Dalton is a decent QB, but he is not great and never will be.

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Luck played poorly all season. The one thing that he did well was fourth quarter comebacks. Granted that counts for a lot. But that doesn't make you a good QB

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wilson is a guy that mosly stays in the pocket to throw...he only had 4 rushing tds.

you act like hes a running qb thats going to get figured out

luck is decent, just wasnt all world better than everyone else....like he was expected to be.

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[quote name='MHS831' timestamp='1359833271' post='2121788']
Folks,
I am a bit surprised by the lack of love for Andrew Luck. That team barely won 2 games before he was drafted. They lost a ton of talent. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year and he, with a poor offensive line and 1 legit receiver (do you know who their RB is? probably not) took them to the dance. He offensive statistics were amazing.

Russell WIlson has a great defense, which gives him more chances and allows the play calling to be more aggressive.

RGIII is very good, but his numbers are a bit inflated because many of his passes were short, safe ones. Still, he is the real deal.

Tannehill will be very good with patience. Whoever said that--right on.

Cam is the same. He is such an incredible athlete, people expect incredible all the time. He needs a RT and RG and for Silatolu to get better. A WR too. What he did with a rookie LG, a backup center, a scrub at RG and a weak RT is amazing. Wait until Gettlemen gets him a line and an option beyond Smitty and Olsen.

Wilson is a good player, but he will get figured out.

Dalton is a decent QB, but he is not great and never will be.
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Luck is very good.

I think some of the reason he doesn't get love was due to the pre-draft hype that made hims sound like a God, but instead you got Cam Newton 2012 (albeit with 11 wins), minus the 750 yards rushing.

I thought at the beginning of the year, Wilson was spoon fed and relied mainly on his defense and running game (as his yardage stats reinforce this). Yeah, you could say that. However, as the year progressed and as his team proceeded into the playoffs, Wilson showed a poise and a mastery of the QB position (particularly with covered receivers or when the play broke down) that the other Rookie and 2yr QB's don't currently possess. Now, does having Marshaun Brooks back there and a great defense help? Sure does; Maybe/probably. But I didn't see Kaepernick or RG3 buy time BTLOS like Wilson did towards the end of the season and during the playoffs, with their great rushing attacks/and or defense.

Now, if you're asking me will Cam, Luck, Tannehill, and maybe Kaepernick be better than Wilson in the art/craft of Quarterbacking a few years from now??...You could be right. The other guys (at least the good ones) have a higher upside, indeed. RG3, I'm not sure about, cause his offense helps him as much as anyone at the moment.

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Luck is very good.

I think some of the reason he doesn't get love, was due to the pre-draft hype that made hims sound like a God, but instead you got Cam Newton 2012 (albeit with 11 wins), minus the 750 yards rushing.

I thought at the beginning of the year, Wilson was spoon fed and relied mainly on his defense and running game (as his yardage stats reinforce this). Yeah, you could say that. However, as the year progressed and as his team proceeded into the playoffs, Wilson showed a poise and a mastery of the QB position (particularly with covered receivers or when the play broke down) that the other Rookie and 2yr QB's don't currently possess. Now, does having Marshaun Brooks back there and a great defense help? Sure does; Maybe/probably. But I didn't see Kaepernick or RG3 buy time BTLOS like Wilson did towards the end of the season and during the playoffs, with their great rushing attacks/and or defense.

Now, if you're asking me, will Cam, Luck, Tannehill, and maybe Kaepernick be better than Wilson in the art/craft of Quarterbacking a few years from now??...You could be right. The other guys (at least the good ones) have a higher upside, indeed.
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Agree for the most part. This is a decent young group that will be fun to watch for 10 years. I hate it for the chiefs, because I see nothing in this draft. I think Smith is the most interesting and has to go to the right system/coach, but Barkley is so beaten down, he could be the best of this bunch.

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[quote name='MHS831' timestamp='1359835732' post='2121826']
Agree for the most part. This is a decent young group that will be fun to watch for 10 years. I hate it for the chiefs, because I see nothing in this draft. I think Smith is the most interesting and has to go to the right system/coach, but Barkley is so beaten down, he could be the best of this bunch.
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how do you feel about tyler bray out tennessee??

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I'm jealous of Kaepernick... He wouldn't seem nearly as good if it weren't for the team. I bet I could go out there and run for 20 yards untouched with that oline. ..and that's saying something. He is not nearly as good as he is made out to be...

And look at his arms. The dude looks like a thug out there.
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Funny how everyone was/is using Tebow's four season wins and backed into the play-offs as proof that he should be a starter but folks want to deminish Colin's accomplishments because he didn't start a season...GTFO.

So tired of the selective BS feed to us by our media.

Let's be honest, the qb class of 2011 is the best of the young class so far.

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how do you feel about tyler bray out tennessee??
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I think he is underrated. He had some great receivers, but he has some tools. I cannot figure out why he is not rated higher. What have you heard?

Will KC take a QB with the first pick? I would trade down, but I do not think anyone wants the pick.

I think Barkley was overrated, but now i think he is underrated. I do not see him getting past Buffalo.

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I think he is underrated. He had some great receivers, but he has some tools. I cannot figure out why he is not rated higher. What have you heard?

Will KC take a QB with the first pick? I would trade down, but I do not think anyone wants the pick.

I think Barkley was overrated, but now i think he is underrated. I do not see him getting past Buffalo.
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yeah most have bray around 3-4 rounds. same with matt. geno is the only one stil in the top 25.

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[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]Only Cam and Kap and maybe Luck. I believe are good enough to be that "New Breed" QBs. [/color][/font]
[font="helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#282828"]Wilson and RGIII are more of the Tarkenton type QB. The other 7 are just talented young QB.[/color][/font]
[b]1. Cam [/b]I think is an underrated pocket Passer. When he started using the checkdowns he became a highly effective in all aspects. His Size and Wheels IMO puts him above Kapernick
[b]2. Kapernick[/b] was one of those players I would love to have seen up pick up to grow along with Newton. He was a steal for SF. He like Cam can do it all. IMO the closest player to Cam
[b]3. Wilson [/b]is heady and a good leader. Also would have been my OROY. The guy makes it happen. Like RGIII he is in great danger when he runs. If he ever gets blind sided from a closing LB he is going to get lit up. I like his game and if he was as big as Cam, he would be #1.
[b]4. RGIII.[/b] A fantastic leader and can make things happen. Too brittle to be a threat running the football. He could have had his career ruined by Shanahan. Same with Wilson. Size of Cam he would be as good if not better.
[b]5. Dalton [/b]is a benefactor of a good defense and a top notch WR in Green. Mobile but not a real threat to put 50 ypg rushing.
[b]6. Tannehill [/b] This guy is going to be a tough QB when they give him some players to go with him. Mobile like Dalton but not dangerous.
[b]7. Luck[/b] could swing either way. He could be the next greatest thing or a notch above daddy Oliver Luck. He clearly has a winning IT factor about him but he also can and will make some game altering decisions. He is about the most Hyped player in recent years. They were ranting and raving about him before the 2011 College football season was over. I am ecstatic that he chose to stay at Stanford. No second guessing about our pick.
[b]8. Locker [/b]has the tool and like Luck he could become something good or turn into another R. Leaf.
[b]9 Ponder [/b]needs some WR help. Once Harvin went down, He had his moments but I am not sold one way or the other. It didn't hurt to have A. Peterson.
[b]10. Weeden[/b] could flourish with Chudinski. Has the tools but a 26yr old rookie? I think he could be the type of player that could hold the fort down until Cleveland gets a QB for the future.
[b]11. Gabbert [/b]needs some help on the offensive side of the ball. Not just WR but offensive line to determine whether he will ever get ahead. He kind of reminds me of David Carr when he started with Houston.
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[quote name='BigSyke' timestamp='1359874682' post='2122565']
yeah most have bray around 3-4 rounds. same with matt. geno is the only one stil in the top 25.
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I think Dalton iand Kaepernick set the standard for what you pray to find in the second round, and I agree with you. It is hard to say about value for QBs because I expect Geno to go early--maybe first overall. I also expect another QB to go in the first.

Arizona nor Buffalo have ever really reached in the first round for a QB. I think one will, probably Buffalo. Of the remaining QBs, who is most seasoned and ready for a pro-style offense? Matt Barkley. However, I think (hunch) they could trade up with KC and get Smith. That is my wild prediction.

The reason I think Buffalo might move up is because Buddy Nix (GM) said they would. The statement was made, based on timing, to the fans, not the other teams (bluff). I think he wants a run/pass threat, and Smth is the best in that area.

Then again, Buddy did not say which round. As he studies the draft, he might decide that value at QB can be found by trading down into the bottom of the first; you are not going to see a team in the bottom half of the draft take a QB, so by trading down, you get the QB you want before the teams at the top of the second round start feeding on the QBs who are there.

So, to my point: Barkley (to me) is as good as several other QBs taken in the top 10 in recent years, however, you could argue that most have underperformed. Have teams learned their lesson? I doubt it. Barkey, Glennon, Bray, --just about all QBs after Smith should not get drafted until day 3. If one rises, I say it is Barkley or Glennon.

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