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#31 Chimera

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

Boger let things go in our game too. Then threw flags on ticky tack plays - Palmer hit, Akers flop.

The officials wouldn't have been wrong by throwing a flag on the play. But I do think it was a good no call.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

The no-call that I still can't believe no one is talking about was on the Punter Safety. When the announcers were saying, "Strange the 49ers are letting him run around back there," I was screaming in the bar, "That's because they're being held!" And on the replay you could clearly see, a 49er after the punter being held in a full on bear hug from behind by a Raven. Here is the video:
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That was easily the most flagrant hold I've ever seen in any NFL game. I mean a fuggin' bear hug? Right in the middle of where the action was taking place. This wasn't on the opposite sideline, it was next to the ball carrier. Still, no call.

I guess no one cares because it was a million to one shot the 49ers could pull it out at that point anyway. But that missed call was the difference between the 49ers having to return the free kick for a touchdown or getting a return and a hail mary with the time left.

This was the ridiculous 4th down no-call of the game in my opinion.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

"Fans" are always whining about the refs "not letting them play"

Can't have it both ways gents

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:40 PM

first off- it was a bad pass anyway

second- the 9ers are just as much to blame for 4 bad plays in the 10

third- Crabtree wasn't exactly keeping his hands to himself

fourth- Jim Harbaugh is intolerably 'brat'-ty, I can't stand that guy and am honestly glad he isn't our coach

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

A question like this can only be fairly asked before a replay is shown. Try making a call at ref speed, not super-slo-mo-seen-it-25-times speed.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:47 PM

The no-call that I still can't believe no one is talking about was on the Punter Safety. When the announcers were saying, "Strange the 49ers are letting him run around back there," I was screaming in the bar, "That's because they're being held!" And on the replay you could clearly see, a 49er after the punter being held in a full on bear hug from behind by a Raven. Here is the video:
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That was easily the most flagrant hold I've ever seen in any NFL game. I mean a fuggin' bear hug? Right in the middle of where the action was taking place. This wasn't on the opposite sideline, it was next to the ball carrier. Still, no call.

I guess no one cares because it was a million to one shot the 49ers could pull it out at that point anyway. But that missed call was the difference between the 49ers having to return the free kick for a touchdown or getting a return and a hail mary with the time left.

This was the ridiculous 4th down no-call of the game in my opinion.


Its a no call because either way its a safety.

Flag for Holding in the End Zone = Safety
No Flag and he is tackled in the End Zone = Safety.
No Flag and he steps out = Safety.

Holding doesn't stop the play so its a worthless flag.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

Agreed, the end result of the play would be a safety. But the time is the variable I am concerned with. Had 24 gotten free, he would have run the punter out of bounds immediately, stopping the clock with about 10 seconds left instead of 5. And that's definitely enough time for a return and a Hail Mary.

Holding wouldn't stop the play? If that's true, it really sucks for the 49ers, and yeah, if I was the Ravens I would say hold the shiz out of them, because the important thing would be milking the clock, and the yardage wouldn't mean much. And even if it didn't stop the play, wouldn't 10 yards be assessed on the spot of the free kick?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

Agreed, the end result of the play would be a safety. But the time is the variable I am concerned with. Had 24 gotten free, he would have run the punter out of bounds immediately, stopping the clock with about 10 seconds left instead of 5. And that's definitely enough time for a return and a Hail Mary.

Holding wouldn't stop the play? If that's true, it really sucks for the 49ers, and yeah, if I was the Ravens I would say hold the shiz out of them, because the important thing would be milking the clock, and the yardage wouldn't mean much. And even if it didn't stop the play, wouldn't 10 yards be assessed on the spot of the free kick?



No the awarding of points and the free kick is the penalty, there are no yards assessed in addition to that. And a holding call never stops the play, its a live ball penalty and is dealt with after the play.

Yes it might have saved them a couple of seconds but that assumes the defender will get there and that the kicker just gives himself up. All things considered the no flag is the proper way to manage that play on the part of the ref, especially with the ball carrier makes no attempt to advance the ball towards the line of scrimmage.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

I felt it was holding.

when the jersey pulls off the players back in front of the ref... but whatever.

I guess the biggest "no call" in the game is the fact that #29 (Williams) on the Ravens wasn't ejected for pushing the ref. Because later in the game he was the guy that swatted the ball at the last moment, saving a TD and causing a FG try (tho it was missed and a running into the kicker call was made)

but that's just me. momentum be damned. LOL

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

Corner was holding and Crabtree was guilty of offensive pass interference, offsetting penalties or you just don't call either. But it shouldn't have been called on the corner without a penalty on Crabtree as well.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

The no-call that I still can't believe no one is talking about was on the Punter Safety. When the announcers were saying, "Strange the 49ers are letting him run around back there," I was screaming in the bar, "That's because they're being held!" And on the replay you could clearly see, a 49er after the punter being held in a full on bear hug from behind by a Raven. Here is the video:
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That was easily the most flagrant hold I've ever seen in any NFL game. I mean a fuggin' bear hug? Right in the middle of where the action was taking place. This wasn't on the opposite sideline, it was next to the ball carrier. Still, no call.

I guess no one cares because it was a million to one shot the 49ers could pull it out at that point anyway. But that missed call was the difference between the 49ers having to return the free kick for a touchdown or getting a return and a hail mary with the time left.

This was the ridiculous 4th down no-call of the game in my opinion.


If no one else said it, if they had thrown a flag for holding, it would have resulted in a safety as well which is what happened anyway. The Ravens were just smart to hold since they had nothing to lose.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

Let the same thing happen to the Panthers. This board would STILL be bitching right now in a 50 page thread about how the Panthers were robbed and how the NFL is rigged.

#huddle logic

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:39 PM

It was only a foot past his outstretched arms. He could have easily caught it without the hold. The ball barely landed out of bounds, so he definitely could have got his feet in bounds.

Also, catchability doesn't matter all that much on a holding call.


agree with both of these.

the refs were letting them battle all night until the 4th quarter when they made a pretty big PI call on SF. if they made that call they should have made this one as well.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

If no one else said it, if they had thrown a flag for holding, it would have resulted in a safety as well which is what happened anyway. The Ravens were just smart to hold since they had nothing to lose.


if they threw the flag the clock would have stopped and the 9ers would have had time for a return + a hail mary. doesn't matter if the ravens were smart, the refs should have called that.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

if they threw the flag the clock would have stopped and the 9ers would have had time for a return + a hail mary. doesn't matter if the ravens were smart, the refs should have called that.



Holding calls never stop the clock. The play is always allowed to come to its normal conclusion and then the penalty is dealt with. The fact that occurred in the end zone makes no difference.

For example: A team is backed up on their own 2. QB takes the snap and drops back to throw. RG commits a hold while in the end zone and the ref throws the flag. QB throws a bad pass that picked and returned for a pick 6. If the hold stopped play the pick 6 would be nullified and the D would have no opportunity to refuse the penalty.


The fact that it was the last seconds of the game and the Ravens were using that rule to their advantage doesnt mean it was not the right way for the refs to handle the play.


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