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#16 MadHatter

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:40 PM

Yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. But it does make sense for players like Beason who would probably be paid a fraction of what he would earn even from a restructure with the Panthers on the open market. A MLB with a potentially bum achilles, knee, and shoulder, a guy who's played, what, 4.5 total games in the last two years, isn't going to garner much on the open market.


I think that Beason and Gross would restructure. I also think Gamble coudl get a bigger contract on the open market than a sign reduced one from us.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

A Beason restruture still comes with HUGE risk and negative potential impact for a team already in the read for both 2013 and 2014.

They just need to part with him. Cut your losses. Take it on the chin. Not extend a potential problem with his history further. Beason isn't Smitty where we are putting all our hopes and dreams in one man at the position.....



I am not advocating that we should keep him.

With Keek here, an injured Beason is not worth the cap space. I would let him go if he were not willing to play for significantly less....which I don't think he would.

Some very hard personnel decisions are ahead for the Panthers....and I foresee several Huddle meltdowns when they occur.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:46 PM

I am not advocating that we should keep him.

With Keek here, an injured Beason is not worth the cap space. I would let him go if he were not willing to play for significantly less....which I don't think he would.

Some very hard personnel decisions are ahead for the Panthers....and I foresee several Huddle meltdowns when they occur.


I think there will be a period here where the boards collective head explodes. I would guess close to half of Hurney's core as defined after 2010 will likely be gone.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:02 PM

I don't see any of these guys restructuring. Would you throw away millions of dollars because your employer asks you to?


Thomas Davis???

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

how long will it take for us to be out of these bad contracts? 2015???

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

Those players that don't restructure are going take a gamble on the Market. Gamble will be 30 in March. I am sure that he could still sneak out a fat contract with someone else. I would hope GETTLEMAN (for our Name Critic) could figure out a way to keep him. Though our DBs did much better in the second half I am not ready to give up on Gamble.

Some of you follow cap space and contracts. What will be the impact if we waive, Gamble, Beason, Gross and D Will? How much of their salaries will affect us towards the 2013 Salary Cap. I don't see us cutting Gross though.

Better yet, which players can we cut and give us some decent cap space?

I would not be surprised if Baltimore is eyeing what we will do with Beason. Replacing Lewis is gonna be tough. Beason comes from the same school and is IMO still a great MLB. He might be a great fit for Baltimore. I would rather see him restructure and stay. Anderson, Kuechly and Beason with TD subbing in would make our LB Corps one of the top LB Corps in the NFL.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

I think there will be a period here where the boards collective head explodes. I would guess close to half of Hurney's core as defined after 2010 will likely be gone.

i've reached a point that aside from cam and keuchly and maybe kalil no one is safe. i wouldn't be surprised to see anyone with the exception of those three gone at some point in the next couple years.

that's not saying i'm expecting a complete overhaul or the roster is going to be stripped down and rebuilt, just that i am expecting big changes.

i don't know that aside from a couple it would upset me all that much. maybe smitty, but i'm pretty ready for anything. more than that, i guess i embrace it. i'm curious to see what gettleman does with the roster.i expect maybe a little shock like when i get my hair cut for the first time in a couple years, but it will be easy enough to adjust to.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

how long will it take for us to be out of these bad contracts? 2015???


Not if we keep restructuring. That's what got us in this mess to start with.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:47 PM

Thomas Davis???


He's getting paid the same amount if he stays healthy, money moved from salary to games played and option bonuses. Also dwill doesn't help the team to get under cap, neither will Anderson or Beason. Beason if cut or traded will cost 17 million this season.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

i've reached a point that aside from cam and keuchly and maybe kalil no one is safe. i wouldn't be surprised to see anyone with the exception of those three gone at some point in the next couple years.

that's not saying i'm expecting a complete overhaul or the roster is going to be stripped down and rebuilt, just that i am expecting big changes.

i don't know that aside from a couple it would upset me all that much. maybe smitty, but i'm pretty ready for anything. more than that, i guess i embrace it. i'm curious to see what gettleman does with the roster.i expect maybe a little shock like when i get my hair cut for the first time in a couple years, but it will be easy enough to adjust to.


yeah, I agree w/ those 3. No one else is safe if looking at the next 3 yr window....

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

I agree with everything except for Bowe....do not want

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

i've reached a point that aside from cam and keuchly and maybe kalil no one is safe.


To be totally frank, I really don't know why we chose to pay Kalil that much money either. Center is not a premium position in this league, as evidenced by how few centers are drafted high. I wish we would have maybe gone for a good, but not great center, and maybe invested some money at RT or some other position.

I love Kalil and he's a great guy to have on the team, but we have to stop tying up big chunks of our money in low-impact positions.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

I could be wrong but my understanding is that when you restructure a contract the total money can not be less than it was before restructuring. What Davis did was not restructure his contract. They tore up the contract by mutual agreement and put another one in place. His other option was to be released.

So the whole idea of restructuring is about when it gets paid and how it counts against the cap not how much is getting paid. So restructuring doesn't save a team money or allow them to pay less, just lower the cap hit this year. The net effect will be to increase it in subsequent years.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:45 PM

You are right. Restructuring a contract, renegotiating a new contract, and extending a contract are 3 different things.
I've seen posters here mention {in effect} all 3 in one paragraph.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 08:57 AM

Thomas Davis???


Gross Gamble aren't coming off 3 knee tears

I hear ya though


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