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[nagai]

I don't agree with you, but I applaud your well-written arguments. Pie!

The problem I think with what you said is that it's not much different from the other positions. Is Byron Bell going to develop? What about Siliatolu? Fua? At the end of the day, there's question marks in multiple positions and we're not gonna sit and wait on all of them. Note that I'm not saying that it won't be a wideout. Heck, I think that most generic claims in the form of "they'll draft position X and not Y" are based on over-simplistic ways of thinking. Every draft prospect is going to be evaluated in their own right; their positions aren't the be all end all. If we do draft a WR, or any other position for that matter, it'll because of the individual talents present in that prospect, not just because 'we need that position'.

[JawnyBlaze]

I don't think we can rule out any OL, DT, WR or CB. They're all positions we can use upgrades at and premium value positions (well, not OG so much but if Warmack is there his talent balances out the lack of value at his position). The only one of these positions that typically contributes right away is OL. People say "oh, DTs don't contribute in their first year so we should just get a FA", we've been applying those bandaids for YEARS and it hasn't really worked out for us yet. People say "WRs don't contribute right away and we've got so much youth anyway, why put another unproven guy in the logjam", we have to find a new #1 sooner rather than later. I personally believe we either take a shot at a guy in the 2nd and hope he turns into our #1 or wait til next year when the WR class should be stronger, but I wouldn't be mad if we took a guy like Allen or Patterson in the 1st this year trying to address that need with enough of a buffer before Smitty retires that the guy has a chance to adjust and not have too much expected out of him right away.

As long as the talent and value is there any OT, OG, DT, WR, CB should be considered in the 1st. None of these positions should be ruled out because "they don't typically contribute right away". That mindset always leads to playing catch up at the position later, e.g. where we've been at WR and DT for a long time now.

[DaveThePanther2008]

There would have to be a surefire #1 like Green or Julio Jones. I don't think there really is a sure fire #1 and many of the ones I have read about seem to lack the "good route" runner skills. We don't need a WR that can catch the ball real well. We have to have a good route running WR that gets the scheme of why he is running a particular route. This is why I believe we create the cap space and get a good WR off the Free Agent market.

Free Agent WR
#1 DT
#2 OT
#4 DB

I also think we will try very hard to keep Gamble.

I reserve the right to change this opinion after the combine.

[MadHatter]

There would have to be a surefire #1 like Green or Julio Jones. I don't think there really is a sure fire #1 and many of the ones I have read about seem to lack the "good route" runner skills. We don't need a WR that can catch the ball real well. We have to have a good route running WR that gets the scheme of why he is running a particular route. This is why I believe we create the cap space and get a good WR off the Free Agent market.

Free Agent WR
#1 DT
#2 OT
#4 DB

I also think we will try very hard to keep Gamble.

I reserve the right to change this opinion after the combine.

I don't see how we possibly keep Gamble and create enough cap space to sign a good WR (we need to cut him just to get near the cap)

Restructuring all of our guys (Beason, Gross, Gamble, etc) may clear enough space to get by this year. However, all we are doing is pushing our Cap Hell out for more years.

I think Gettleman is smart enough not to do this. He is going to have to make tough decisions that are probably going to piss some fans off.....but it is a process that we must go through to get back in to a healthy cap position.

For this reason, I truly believe that Gamble is gone.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I don't see how we possibly keep Gamble and create enough cap space to sign a good WR (we need to cut him just to get near the cap)

Restructuring all of our guys (Beason, Gross, Gamble, etc) may clear enough space to get by this year. However, all we are doing is pushing our Cap Hell out for more years.

I think Gettleman is smart enough not to do this. He is going to have to make tough decisions that are probably going to piss some fans off.....but it is a process that we must go through to get back in to a healthy cap position.

For this reason, I truly believe that Gamble is gone.

You may be right Madhatter. I surely hope that Norman and Thomas grow. Your point also makes me believe a solid DT is our #1 pick. You put that pressure on the QB those CBs become much better than before.

[JawnyBlaze]

Yea, I agree with you. I've already started mentally preparing myself for a Carolina Panthers without Gamble, Beason and Deangelo. I hate to see them go, Beason and Deangelo are two of my all time favorite Panthers and Gamble has always been woefully underappreciated (KR attempted lateral vs the Vikings notwithstanding...that one still makes me shake my head heh) and I'll hate to see all three of them go. But it's almost inevitable.

I don't see how we possibly keep Gamble and create enough cap space to sign a good WR (we need to cut him just to get near the cap)

Restructuring all of our guys (Beason, Gross, Gamble, etc) may clear enough space to get by this year. However, all we are doing is pushing our Cap Hell out for more years.

I think Gettleman is smart enough not to do this. He is going to have to make tough decisions that are probably going to piss some fans off.....but it is a process that we must go through to get back in to a healthy cap position.

For this reason, I truly believe that Gamble is gone.

[CatMan72]

With a new GM in place and the 14th pick, it's difficult to predict what we will do.

We won't draft a QB or a MLB with the 14th overall pick, that's about all we can be sure of right now.

[CRA]

Are you going to keep changing the parameters to fit your opinion?

I went back 10 years pretty good sample set in my opinion.

Game was different 10 years ago...

Last half decade or so I think is better. Doesn't matter either way really. Giants draft DL and WRs

[top dawg]

Neither is Wr unless you see a AJ Green, Julio Jones or Megatron in this class. Which I don't.

The same type of reasoning could be used for a DT. Unless you see a Ndamukong Suh, Vince Wilfork, Haloti Ngata at your draft position, what's the point of reaching for a DT in the first? Unless we trade up, Star Lotulelei is gonna be gone. For that matter, Kenny Vacarro will be gone at Safety, and Dee Milliner will be gone at CB. I am thinking that we will be taking the BPA in fitting with our needs, but like I said before, I am not worried either way. Rivera has proven that he can hit the mark, and Gettleman is supposed to be the master evaluator.

[MadHatter]

You may be right Madhatter. I surely hope that Norman and Thomas grow. Your point also makes me believe a solid DT is our #1 pick. You put that pressure on the QB those CBs become much better than before.

I am still not sold on a DT at 14. But I have always been leary of the DT high draft pick bust rates.

But, given the Giants history of taking DL high, it just might be in Gettleman's dna to do so.....I trust him.

I personally want an OL or DB in the first round.

I would love to have another weapon for Cam at WR, but am not sure there is any sure fire studs in this draft that are worthy of a top 14 pick. But, I admit that I have NOT done much research on the matter.

[IamSoClutch]

Since when did the sure fire wide recievers last until the 14th? most of those go atleast top 10. we wont be able to afford a sure fire wide reciever in free agency for the next two years. by that time smitty will be 36. it takes any wide reciever two years to reach there true NFL form. thats why we need a WR now. if gamble is gone which i think he will be cb is the only position i want in the 1st unless Star or a great OT falls in our lap.

[IamSoClutch]

also the same things yall say about patterson are the same things critics said about Cam, raw and only 1 year of college experience out of juco. patterson inserted in this offense would make it so explosive and in tow years he could take smitty spot

[koolkatluke]

The same type of reasoning could be used for a DT. Unless you see a Ndamukong Suh, Vince Wilfork, Haloti Ngata at your draft position, what's the point of reaching for a DT in the first? Unless we trade up, Star Lotulelei is gonna be gone. For that matter, Kenny Vacarro will be gone at Safety, and Dee Milliner will be gone at CB. I am thinking that we will be taking the BPA in fitting with our needs, but like I said before, I am not worried either way. Rivera has proven that he can hit the mark, and Gettleman is supposed to be the master evaluator.

That would be a good reason if at the DT, or CB position we had the depth and talent we have at WR right now.

DT on the roster if we don't sign back both edwards boys or Neblett are.............
Fua---Chandler-----Krease

CB on the roster if we lose both Gamble and Captain are..............
Dockery-----Norman-------Thomas----Hickson

Wr on the roster .....
Smith---Lafell---Gettis----Pilaris----Adams-----Bryant----Edwards


I'm sorry if I have more faith in what I see on the WR depth chart then DT and CB. All that can change if we can make some moves in FA. But right now it is what it is.

[koolkatluke]

also the same things yall say about patterson are the same things critics said about Cam, raw and only 1 year of college experience out of juco. patterson inserted in this offense would make it so explosive and in tow years he could take smitty spot

Could people on here please stop using Cam to make a point about a WR.

2 different Position 1st of all can not be compare for their impact on a team. Scouts are often wrong on QB going both ways. Example Clausen was the most pro ready. Gabbert was pro ready. They don't make as many mistakes on WR.

Cam was a National Championship winning QB who carried his team in his "1" year of big time college football.

Patterson did not carrie his team to anything. He only played because the other guys got hurt. And he doesn't run but 2-3 routes and has a lot of work to be done on his hands. He did more running out the back field then Joe adams. He had half as many rushes as he had rec.

Cam broke records for TD,- passing% and TD to TO ratio his 1 year.

Patterson stats are (in his 1 year of Big time college football) 46 rec. 778 yards 5td.
When was the last WR with those numbers drafted in the top 15???
Don't worry I'll wait.................

So can we stop comparing Cam to Patterson please???

How about doing some homework and show me a "WR" with 1year of College exp. that was as raw as Patterson is but made a impact in his rookie season. poo find me one that had impact in his 2nd year if you can.

[koolkatluke]

Since when did the sure fire wide recievers last until the 14th? most of those go atleast top 10. we wont be able to afford a sure fire wide reciever in free agency for the next two years. by that time smitty will be 36. it takes any wide reciever two years to reach there true NFL form. thats why we need a WR now. if gamble is gone which i think he will be cb is the only position i want in the 1st unless Star or a great OT falls in our lap.

Not in the 1st or 2nd round we don't with bigger problems on the roster. We don't have the Luxury to pick up another project at WR right now. If their was a Michael Floyd (who was picked 13th last year) maybe I'd agree with you.

We have enough projects at WR right now in my opinion and bigger needs on the team.