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#46 Growl

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:34 AM

Every year, we are in a cap struggle. We are not able to go after a few key pieces because of our mismanagement in the past.

Do you think that had we had some space that Vincent Jackson would have been a good pickup for Cam and this O? We didn't have the cap space to do it.

Do you think that we got a steal by bringing in Naka? Nope, we just couldn't afford anything better.

Yes, we always manage to get under the cap....all teams do, but we are not a good football team. As bad as we have been lately, we should have tons of cap to show for it....but we don't.



I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency

yes, you can have a model where you don't go after big name free agents.

He was simply pointing out, if that wasn't Carolina's philisophy, they couldn't go after the big name FA's. If Carolina replaced Hurney with a guy who wanted to go after big name players....he COULDN'T. Not immediately. Not with out wiping out real talent. You would be trading off instead of just adding. Will take a couple years to get out of the mess to create real room.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency



Electing to sign or not to sign is not the issue, it's the fact that they can't even if they wanted to.

We/Hurney (Idiot) decided to keep a base together, and WAY overpay them just to maintain more of the same.

It was a flawed policy, and will now hamstring the team for another two years.

I am not one of these guys that screams for a pick up every time there is a cut out there, but we could really benefit from an occasional FA pickup, even if it was a big name.

Had we not signed DWill or Beason or Kalil, we could have a true number 1 WR and not have to worry about that in the draft this year, instead focusing on CB, DT, OT.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

I honestly think DeAngelo will be a Panther to at least start the season. May look at a midseason trade to see if anyone's starting back goes down and we can extract some value. Otherwise, I would think he'd be released after this season when the cap hit becomes more manageable.


Do you think that Gettleman is looking at these contracts thinking what in the world was this guy trying to do? I remember that Hurney would always try and get guys to restructure, but what was his plans this time? He had no reason to give out the astronomical money to D-lo, J-Stew, and Charles Johnson. Shrewd negotiator he was not.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:43 AM

Do you think that Gettleman is looking at these contracts thinking what in the world was this guy trying to do? I remember that Hurney would always try and get guys to restructure, but what was his plans this time? He had no reason to give out the astronomical money to D-lo, J-Stew, and Charles Johnson. Shrewd negotiator he was not.


The Deangelo and Stewart contracts were bad moves. Charles Johnson is one of the best defensive ends in the leage and we needed to pay him.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

Electing to sign or not to sign is not the issue, it's the fact that they can't even if they wanted to.

We/Hurney (Idiot) decided to keep a base together, and WAY overpay them just to maintain more of the same.

It was a flawed policy, and will now hamstring the team for another two years.

I am not one of these guys that screams for a pick up every time there is a cut out there, but we could really benefit from an occasional FA pickup, even if it was a big name.

Had we not signed DWill or Beason or Kalil, we could have a true number 1 WR and not have to worry about that in the draft this year, instead focusing on CB, DT, OT.


If Hurney hadn't re-signed Beason or Kalil, this fanbase would have rioted.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

The Deangelo and Stewart contracts were bad moves. Charles Johnson is one of the best defensive ends in the leage and we needed to pay him.

we probably didn't need to pay him as much as we did, though.

i think it's pretty likely we paid him a whole lot more than any other team was even thinking about paying him.

hurney threw money at his "core" without showing any discipline whatsoever.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:48 AM

we probably didn't need to pay him as much as we did, though.

i think it's pretty likely we paid him a whole lot more than any other team was even thinking about paying him.

hurney threw money at his "core" without showing any discipline whatsoever.


Maybe, that's not really something we can ever know. But if he had taken 1 or 2 million less a year to sign with Atlanta, that "saved" money would have made us look like complete morons.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

If Hurney hadn't re-signed Beason or Kalil, this fanbase would have rioted.



Those are two that I could live with. I don't think that we needed to make Beason or Kalil the highest paid at their positions....but what ever.

CJ, didn't really have a major bone with that one, but the amount did seem a little crazy.

My biggest beef is and has been the DWill contract. That was just stupid.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

we probably didn't need to pay him as much as we did, though.

i think it's pretty likely we paid him a whole lot more than any other team was even thinking about paying him.

hurney threw money at his "core" without showing any discipline whatsoever.


It was like the Falcons were like you know we think highly of Charles Johnson. You know he played at Georgia. Hurney was like fudge it son, 70mil and not a penny less.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency


You can attempt as many stupid internet spelling phrases as you like but it is not going to change the fact that the team cannot spend money they don't have. The cap has real implications regardless and simple math will show you that it has hindered this team. The Panthers have chosen to spend their money for contracts for drafted players. Sure there are ways to manipulate your current situation to free up some space but this team has chosen to do such things over the long run and they never catch up. There is no way to magically undo years of bad contract management.

Brah

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:58 AM

Those are two that I could live with. I don't think that we needed to make Beason or Kalil the highest paid at their positions....but what ever.

CJ, didn't really have a major bone with that one, but the amount did seem a little crazy.

My biggest beef is and has been the DWill contract. That was just stupid.


I agree D-Will was too much at a position where we had depth. The other ones are high, but not outrageously so. And when you ask guys to stay on a 2-14 team, you probably have to pay for it. We had no leverage and were looking at losing a great young pass rusher (Johnson), a top three guy at his position coming into his prime (Kalil), and a guy that was our leader on defense and had put up hall of fame numbers in his first four years while never missing a game (Beason).

The timing of it kinda sucks and injuries have made the Beason and Kalil signing look a lot worse, but I understand it. Hurney always bummed me out with his draft day trades more than any of those signings, even Deangelo.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:22 PM

I agree D-Will was too much at a position where we had depth. The other ones are high, but not outrageously so. And when you ask guys to stay on a 2-14 team, you probably have to pay for it. We had no leverage and were looking at losing a great young pass rusher (Johnson), a top three guy at his position coming into his prime (Kalil), and a guy that was our leader on defense and had put up hall of fame numbers in his first four years while never missing a game (Beason).

The timing of it kinda sucks and injuries have made the Beason and Kalil signing look a lot worse, but I understand it. Hurney always bummed me out with his draft day trades more than any of those signings, even Deangelo.



We just spent more on positions that I don't believe had a ton to do with winning outside of DE.

LB's are great to have, but on a 4-3 D, corners, DE's, S's, and DT's are more important IMO, positions that we have ignored for a while now.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

We just spent more on positions that I don't believe had a ton to do with winning outside of DE.

LB's are great to have, but on a 4-3 D, corners, DE's, S's, and DT's are more important IMO, positions that we have ignored for a while now.


I think defensive end and center are very important (offensive line as a whole is vastly underrated in my opinion). Inside linebacker and Running Back can be very important, but we have messed that up with using high draft picks and cap resources to create redundancy.

I will end my piece on the matter by saying that I think Hurney was good at finding good individual players, better at it than a lot of other GMs, but he seemed to have no overall vision in place. He got pieces, and they were mostly good pieces, but they have largely ended up with a glut of talent at a few positions, and we couldn't even field them all at the same time if they were all healthy because there's no place for everybody. Lack of big picture thinking is what failed Hurney. He should have let a few talented players, like Deangelo probably, walk in order to balance out the roster and have it work together.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

Charles Johnson was one of the biggest free agent names that year for his production, potential and young age. He could have went to a team that paid him a lot money and been definite playoff contender the last two seasons. You really think a rebuilding 2-14 team with no stability at the QB position (at the time) had a lot of leverage in getting him to stay? DE is a premium position we had to pay him, thats the bottom line.


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