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[carpanfan96]

and everyone else too

It doesn't matter what they set the cap at, we're in a worse cap situation than most every other team. Gettleman has his work cut out for him.

Actually there's a bunch of teams who are in cap trouble right now. The flat cap is killing teams.

These numbers are before any moves have were made.

Saint's are like 14 million over
Panther's are 13 million over
Cowboys are 18 million over
Cardinals are roughly 750k over
Lions are 1.1 million over
Giants are 5 million over
Jets are 20 million over
Raiders are 4.5 million over
Steelers are 10 million over
Redskins are 4 million over

Baltimore will have little to no cap space after signing Flacco (they have 15 million right now)
The Rams only have 2 million in cap space and if it wasn't for the carryover rule Greenbay would be over the cap right now as well. Philly would be in a poo storm if it wasn't for the fact they carried over 23 million from last season. (Philly has 5 million in cap space)

There's a couple of other teams that have less then 5 million in cap space as well.

[Frash Brastard]

You have to be careful if the answer every year to cap issues is "restructuirng". All you are doing is pushing the current problem into future years....which is why we are in the cap hell right now.

I am not advocating that we cut Gross. But, it is a real possibility.

Pittsburgh's been restructuring contracts like crazy today. They'll probably continue to do so before the new league year hits. And they did the same exact thing last year.

[carp24000]

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Panthers TE Greg Olsen has restructured his contract, per source with knowledge.

Good News!

[OneBadCat]

Wow the Jets are screwed.

[TylerVagyler]

Bills tag Jarius Byrd

[SooSlow84]

Bills tag Jarius Byrd

Sad face.

[MHS831]

I think we are now about $2.5 to $3 million over. Gamble will put us about $5 million under. Is this consistent with others here have heard?

[The Golden Child]

I think we are now about $2.5 to $3 million over. Gamble will put us about $5 million under. Is this consistent with others here have heard?

We're practically there (123,423,759) according to this http://www.spotrac.c...nthers/cap-hit/ .

[MHS831]

We're practically there (123,423,759) according to this http://www.spotrac.c...nthers/cap-hit/ .

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Thanks for this link. I have not seen this before. If we cut Gamble, we have room. Gettlemen is my hero.
I expect us to cut a few more smaller contracts (Garry Williams, etc) and restructure a few more (Gross), so we could be about $12 million below soon.

[Navy_football]

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Thanks for this link. I have not seen this before. If we cut Gamble, we have room. Gettlemen is my hero.
I expect us to cut a few more smaller contracts (Garry Williams, etc) and restructure a few more (Gross), so we could be about $12 million below soon.

Wow, so this is how a real franchise is run...

Honestly think if one of the top 3 LTs fall to the Panthers in the draft, Gross becomes expendable. That frees up a ton of cash.

Gamble can't stay healthy, time to move on. Paid too much to be on IR every year. Frees up another boatload of cap space.

Beason needs to stay healthy this year or be let go. It's that simple. If he doesn't start 12-14 games in 2013, he should either take a pay cut or the Panthers need to move on. He hasn't taken enough snaps to justify this amount of money.

And mind you, I love the 3 players above. But time to start running this thing like a real franchise. I'm cautiously optimistic for the future...

[Real Emotional Trash]

The Panthers reworked S Haruki Nakamura's contract so that he's now only signed through 2013.

The sides ripped up Nakamura's old three-year, $4.8 million deal, and he essentially now has a brand-new one-year, $815,000 contract with $300,000 more available in incentives. He got a $65,000 signing bonus. Nakamura isn't assured of a roster spot, but he now has the contract of a strict special teamer.



Strict. Special. Teamer.

[MHS831]

Wow, so this is how a real franchise is run...

Honestly think if one of the top 3 LTs fall to the Panthers in the draft, Gross becomes expendable. That frees up a ton of cash.

Gamble can't stay healthy, time to move on. Paid too much to be on IR every year. Frees up another boatload of cap space.

Beason needs to stay healthy this year or be let go. It's that simple. If he doesn't start 12-14 games in 2013, he should either take a pay cut or the Panthers need to move on. He hasn't taken enough snaps to justify this amount of money.

And mind you, I love the 3 players above. But time to start running this thing like a real franchise. I'm cautiously optimistic for the future...

I think you misread my post. Even so, it seems that you mocked my comments and assumed that I was trying to run a franchise. I was simply referencing expected moves. Then you proceed to tell me how to run a franchise. Thanks. Now I know how to run a franchise. Ii hope I did not misread your comments by interpreting them as sarcasm. Since neither of us is actually a GM, there is no need to pretend we know more than anyone else.

I disagree with you about Gross. If you sign Johnson (OT), you would only create about $6 million in cap space by cutting one of the top LTs in the NFL (top third). You would be going with a rookie at LT and you would still have Bell at RT. Not good. Bell is suspect against speed rushers and he is poor as a run blocker. He graded out as the second worst RT in the NFL. Why would you not upgrade him instead of Gross? Money?

What you do is this: Restructure Gross, play Johnson at RT for a year. You upgrade both tackle positions if compared to your situation.

I suggested cutting Gamble. Beason does not need to be given more guaranteed money (restructured) or extended. He has injuries that are concerns and he is not that valuable as an OLB. He is untradeable now--maybe in a year, we can get a pick for him.

If Cam Newton is the frachise and our hopes of winning are on his shoulders, protecting him has to be the team's top priority. A rookie LT and Bell at RT does not do that. Gross at LT and a stud, young RT who is learning the ropes so he can one day move to the left side is smarter to me. If you consider saving money by cutting Gross, if you restructure by guaranteeing money, then you actually save only about $3-$4 million---not worth risking Cam's health.

[Navy_football]

I think you misread my post. Even so, it seems that you mocked my comments and assumed that I was trying to run a franchise. I was simply referencing expected moves. Then you proceed to tell me how to run a franchise. Thanks. Now I know how to run a franchise. Ii hope I did not misread your comments by interpreting them as sarcasm. Since neither of us is actually a GM, there is no need to pretend we know more than anyone else.

I disagree with you about Gross. If you sign Johnson (OT), you would only create about $6 million in cap space by cutting one of the top LTs in the NFL (top third). You would be going with a rookie at LT and you would still have Bell at RT. Not good. Bell is suspect against speed rushers and he is poor as a run blocker. He graded out as the second worst RT in the NFL. Why would you not upgrade him instead of Gross? Money?

What you do is this: Restructure Gross, play Johnson at RT for a year. You upgrade both tackle positions if compared to your situation.

I suggested cutting Gamble. Beason does not need to be given more guaranteed money (restructured) or extended. He has injuries that are concerns and he is not that valuable as an OLB. He is untradeable now--maybe in a year, we can get a pick for him.

If Cam Newton is the frachise and our hopes of winning are on his shoulders, protecting him has to be the team's top priority. A rookie LT and Bell at RT does not do that. Gross at LT and a stud, young RT who is learning the ropes so he can one day move to the left side is smarter to me. If you consider saving money by cutting Gross, if you restructure by guaranteeing money, then you actually save only about $3-$4 million---not worth risking Cam's health.

MHS, I wasn't mocking you or being sarcastic. Actually excited the team is making smart moves that anticipate future financial impacts. Instead of living year to year.

I like your approach in general, though I still feel Gross could be replaced by a less expensive player - preferably a top rookie, teams do it every year. Not trying to be cheap or jeopardize Cam's health, just think it's time to replace an aging expensive vet with a young competent talent. But I do admit that I'm the last person to run a franchise. I obviously don't put in the time or effort to evaluate talent that real GMs do. Just the general fan perspective.

[MHS831]

MHS, I wasn't mocking you or being sarcastic. Actually excited the team is making smart moves that anticipate future financial impacts. Instead of living year to year.

I like your approach in general, though I still feel Gross could be replaced by a less expensive player - preferably a top rookie, teams do it every year. Not trying to be cheap or jeopardize Cam's health, just think it's time to replace an aging expensive vet with a young competent talent. But I do admit that I'm the last person to run a franchise. I obviously don't put in the time or effort to evaluate talent that real GMs do. Just the general fan perspective.

Oh, then I apologize Navy. We get a lot of trolling on here, and I read your response the wrong way. Thanks for the feedback.

I once was an advocate of cutting Gross and Gamble and retooling with youth, but I dhanged about Gross.

I used to live in Annapolis. Wrote for the Capital newspaper for about a year just out of college.

[Navy_football]

Man, I haven't been to Annapolis since 1999. I'll have to make a trip back to the Yard soon though.

I was once against Gross being a cap casualty, but if a top LT can be acquired via the draft I think it's a move that will benefit the team in the future. Gross is a pretty good LT, but his price tag is not justified by his play. Maybe if he'll agree to less money...