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#46 Montsta

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:23 PM

So with a new GM in place, does it look like it'll only take a couple of offseasons to be rid of most of these horrible Hurney contracts? Seems like if we go with your suggestions, we'll be in decent cap shape by the time we need to pay Cam and Hardy. Does that seem accurate?

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

So how much would we save this season if Beason is a June 1st cut?


3.5 Million, apparently but it also puts dead money into 2014, which isn't ideal.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

I still don't know why we paid Beason BEFORE that injury was worked out.


Because JR was hell bent on showing everybody that he wasn't cheap. That spending spree was caused by butt-hurt after constantly hearing how cheap he was in 2010 and during the lockout. He said as much in Spartanburg at training camp. He said, and I quote loosely, "they aren't callin' me cheap now." Well, we are paying for those bad decisions today.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

Shanahan got Jake Plummer and Brian Griese to Pro-bowls. I think most people would consider him prettay, prettay, good. Hell, Chud won 10 games with Derek Anderson. Both those guys are pretty good if inconsistent sometimes.


Oops.

Kyle not Mike. I was talking about the son OC praised this year as a mad scientist. He sucks....just like Chud.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:28 PM

Oops.

Kyle not Mike. I was talking about the son OC praised this year as a mad scientist. He sucks....just like Chud.


Ah, alright. I thought you were calling Mike a chump which is pretty unfair because he's a lot of things: a jerk, a bully, the same color as Fanta, and possibly a communist.

But he's a pretty good offensive mind. I think Chud is pretty good, but understand the frustration.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

Nice work P4L. Kudos :)

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

But he's a pretty good offensive mind. I think Chud is pretty good, but understand the frustration.


I think to a large degree, knowing when to run vs pass and situational playcalling makes an OC great. A lot of the rest comes down to simply having the talent and them executing.

Chud is horrible at situational playcalling.....he was greatly aided IMO by Cam. Chud recycled a lot of Norv's trickplays that where given to him by Norv's son. That sportscenter junk overhyped him IMO. Chud was a trainwreck to start both 2011 and 2012...and was poo his last year in Clev.

Which is why I am not as hard on Shula yet....he has never had talent. Lots of great coaches have sucked when they had no talent.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

So how much would we save this season if Beason is a June 1st cut?


Seen different answers, but I'll take my stab at it.

$20,000,00 SB (6 yr contract, but 5 yr max spread) = $4,000,00 per year cap hit x 3 years left = $12,000,000 yet to go / 2 (if June 1) = $6,000,000 per year.

$6,000,000 + $3,750,000 (paid in 2013 guaranteed) = $9,750,000 2013 cap hit.
$6,000,000 dead cap hit in 2014.

$9,750,000 vs $9,500,000 is worse.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

So how much would we save this season if Beason is a June 1st cut?

Seen different answers, but I'll take my stab at it.

$20,000,00 SB (6 yr contract, but 5 yr max spread) = $4,000,00 per year cap hit x 3 years left = $12,000,000 yet to go / 2 (if June 1) = $6,000,000 per year.

$6,000,000 + $3,750,000 (paid in 2013 guaranteed) = $9,750,000 2013 cap hit.
$6,000,000 dead cap hit in 2014.

$9,750,000 vs $9,500,000 is worse.


The way I calculated it, which can be found in the OP is we would save 3.5 million in 13 as a June 1st cut. If we didn't want to carry over 6 mlllion dead money in 2014 then it would be a cap hit of 12 million all once. The 12 million is 2.5 more than the scheduled 9.5 million cap hit he accounts for this year. So basically save 3.5 this year as a June 1st cut or pay an additional 2.5 million than planned but we'd have no dead money in 14 for his contract.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

Again, you can't avoid the $3.75 mil hit in 2013. The remaining guaranteed hit is $15.75 mil, not $12 mil.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

So with a new GM in place, does it look like it'll only take a couple of offseasons to be rid of most of these horrible Hurney contracts? Seems like if we go with your suggestions, we'll be in decent cap shape by the time we need to pay Cam and Hardy. Does that seem accurate?


This is my best guess. Probably take two years to get out from under some of Hurney's stupidity.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Awesome.

Here is my question for you. Is it possible for D'Will and Beason to renegoitate their contracts without affecting the future cap situation?

I would think both of these guys want to stay. Beason has had free money for two years. I have no doubt he will come back strong in 2013. If we could somehow renegotiate his contract similiar to T. Davis then maybe we could work it out. Most teams aren't going to throw the bank at a player that has played less then 10 games in 2 years. So we might have some leverage there.

DeAngelo, I would love to see stay. I believe 2013 is going to be a monster year for him. Regardless of where he may go. If he has to go wouldn't a trade be possible? He still has a couple of years left on his current contract. If we trade him doesn't his signing bonus go with him? If Not, are we stuck with his bonus for 2013 cap? Or can it be spread out over a couple of years.

Thanks

P4L you should be an assist for our new GM.

As far as Shula is concerned. I think the circus that Chudz carried us through won't occur. I think he has a better understanding of Cam and his abilities and how to use him than Chudz did. I believe Chudz was so overwhelmed with his toy that he figured anything he did would work.

Shula seems to me to be a little bit more intelligent and has the pedigree to know how to use a commodity like Cam.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:40 PM

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DeAngelo, I would love to see stay. I believe 2013 is going to be a monster year for him. Regardless of where he may go. If he has to go wouldn't a trade be possible? He still has a couple of years left on his current contract. If we trade him doesn't his signing bonus go with him? If Not, are we stuck with his bonus for 2013 cap? Or can it be spread out over a couple of years.


No the signing bonus has already been paid, and you don't get to trade it. Once cut or traded you take the hit that is left.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

So with a new GM in place, does it look like it'll only take a couple of offseasons to be rid of most of these horrible Hurney contracts? Seems like if we go with your suggestions, we'll be in decent cap shape by the time we need to pay Cam and Hardy. Does that seem accurate?


Yea the ability is there. Hurney had a plan in mind and things would not seem so terrible if we actually lived up to the preseason hype of Kaili and many fans(myself included).

Unfortunately nobody saw Chud going full retard and Rivera not learning from his mistakes in his rookie year.

Its hard to say exactly where things went wrong for this franchise. Upon the arrival of the Hurney/Fox combo we rebounded from being the worst team in franchise history and showed some promise in 2002. In 03 we followed up on that promise and made the Super Bowl.

In 2004 the injury bug demolished us, it really did.

Then in 05 everything was back on track and we made it to the NFC Championship after going 11-5 in the regular season.

2006..."It is what it is", starts getting a little old. Foxball starts to lose its luster and we go a ho hum 8-8. Jenkins became more vocal about this the next year and eventually was wholesaled away to the jets because of it.

2007- Was a screwed up year. "Tommy Jone" anyone? David Carr and his white gloves, Vinny T pulls a Favre, etc.

2008- This is where panic mode sets in and everything goes down hill. We drafted Stewart and traded for Otah 6 picks later so that we can play Foxball at its finest. Worked out great during the regular season as we ran the hell over everybody. Then we had to play from behind and Jake goes into gunslinger mode...you know the rest.

***Timeout*** Fox asked for an extension, JR declined. Said he wanted more consistency,specifically back to back winning seasons. Fug that noise. We should have cleaned housed and started over right now(rebuilding).

2009-So with the pressure on Fox/Hurney and no 1st round pick(Otah) poo goes wrong, very wrong. Peppers already wanted out at this point, as I assume he soured on Foxball much like Jenkins did. Peppers would have been a devastating loss for Fox/Hurney who are no longer thinking long term, they just want to save their jobs for another year. So they Franchise the bastard at an ungodly amount. There was no free agent QB that would have been an upgrade over Jake, so his agent capitalizes and proceeds to rape us. We go all defense and a running back and a fullback in the draft to fully support Foxball. Of course the writing was already on the wall with Peppers so we had to find his replacement and failed miserabley at that when we drafted Everette Brown.

2010- Jerry beings work on his piechart and decides its not cost effective to part ways with Fox when he has a year left on his contract. Meanwhile Hurney's only task is to purge the roster of any high priced vet's and is not allowed to extend anyone after the Delhomme failure. Matt Moore is the starting qb and Steve Smith starts interviewing realtors, what could possibly wrong?

2011- Jerry says Hurney go resign everybody and show the world I'm not cheap. Welcome to cap hell and the world record for moral victories in a season.

2012- Cut back on pipe if you need a recap here.

13-???

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

Again, you can't avoid the $3.75 mil hit in 2013. The remaining guaranteed hit is $15.75 mil, not $12 mil.


Where are you getting this 3.75 from? http://www.spotrac.c...ers/jon-beason/

If you look that over there 12 million in signing bonus or guaranteed money unpaid. Signing bonus is the only guaranteed money.


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