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#76 Mage

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:00 PM

We also have draft picks to sign....so I think we need to get down even more to have room to sign them.


I could very well be wrong on this but I believe that rookies no longer count against the team salary cap.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

I could very well be wrong on this but I believe that rookies no longer count against the team salary cap.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:04 PM

Panthers fans never cease to amaze.


Well, I'm sorry if I'm wrong I guess and apologies for amazing you so you can make fun of me to look cool. Even said I wasn't sure.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

Practice squad counts too, as well as any gas you might buy to put in a player's car. ANY type of compensation counts.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

Practice squad counts too, as well as any gas you might buy to put in a player's car. ANY type of compensation counts.


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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:47 PM

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:57 PM

Let just say that the Panther's are definitely going to need over 3 million for the draft picks even with the top 51 rule and that's before they cut players to get under the cap. They'll have to cut around 6 players to get under that's not named Williams or Beason. Which with the roster setup on the Panther's right now would push that number up towards 4 million that they would need to sign the rookies.


This is true, but the good news is we don't have to have the space now (March). Since picks typically sign in the summer and since they count at rookie minimum until they actually sign a contract, it gives Gettleman a bit more time to see which positions are addressed via the draft and fine tune his thinking on the roster. One cut post June 1st (probably Williams) will give us all the room we need to sign our picks.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

This is true, but the good news is we don't have to have the space now (March). Since picks typically sign in the summer and since they count at rookie minimum until they actually sign a contract, it gives Gettleman a bit more time to see which positions are addressed via the draft and fine tune his thinking on the roster. One cut post June 1st (probably Williams) will give us all the room we need to sign our picks.



Wasn't saying they would all have to be made up front, I was just saying in total the team would need to clear up 12.4 Million to get even with the cap 3-5 million for draft picks (counting the top 51 rule), and another 4-5 on top of that if the team wants to be semi active in FA to sign a mid level or two.

If they cut who I expect they will

Gamble, Nak, Edwards, Williams, Gettis, A. Edwards and a restructure for Gross. They'll still have to June 1st cut either Beason or Williams to finish things out.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

Wasn't saying they would all have to be made up front, I was just saying in total the team would need to clear up 12.4 Million to get even with the cap 3-5 million for draft picks (counting the top 51 rule), and another 4-5 on top of that if the team wants to be semi active in FA to sign a mid level or two.

If they cut who I expect they will

Gamble, Nak, Edwards, Williams, Gettis, A. Edwards and a restructure for Gross. They'll still have to June 1st cut either Beason or Williams to finish things out.


The more I think about it, perhaps we will try to move DWill via trade prior to the draft. If we could find a partner, we would take a negative hit of $1.4 million this year and then he would be off our books for good. What kind of pick would make it worthwhile to have to deal with that kind of hit? 3rd round? 4th round?

If that is at all part of Gettleman's plan, we may have to get a bit more aggressive in March to allow us the freedom to do a draft day deal for Williams.

But yeah, in general I agree with your list as written.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:02 PM

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

Money given to a player to pay for their gas or any money paid outside of a contract does not go against the salary cap.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:15 PM

Very nice thread. Will be interesting to see how many big names get cut/restructured.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:20 PM

The more I think about it, perhaps we will try to move DWill via trade prior to the draft. If we could find a partner, we would take a negative hit of $1.4 million this year and then he would be off our books for good. What kind of pick would make it worthwhile to have to deal with that kind of hit? 3rd round? 4th round?

If that is at all part of Gettleman's plan, we may have to get a bit more aggressive in March to allow us the freedom to do a draft day deal for Williams.

But yeah, in general I agree with your list as written.


Packers, Lions, Bengals, Chargers, Cards, Steelers and Colts could be interested.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:35 PM

Money given to a player to pay for their gas or any money paid outside of a contract does not go against the salary cap.


Section 4.
Definition of "Salary":
(a) "Salary" means the compensation in money, property, investments, loans or anything else of value to which an NFL player (including Rookie and Veteran players and players whose contracts have been terminated) or his Player Affiliate is entitled in accordance with a Player Contract, but not including Benefits. Salary with respect to any period shall include all Salary actually payable with respect to such period under the terms of a Player Contract and all Salary attributable to such period under the terms of this Agreement


B- A player’s Salary shall also include any and all consideration received by the player or his Player Affiliate from a Club or Club Affiliate, even if such consideration is ostensibly paid to the player for services other than football playing services, if the NFL can demonstrate before the Impartial Arbitrator that the consideration paid to the player or Player Affiliate for such nonfootball services does not represent a reasonable approximation of the fair market value of such services as performed by such player. The Impartial Arbitrator’s determination may take into account, among other things: (1) any actual dollar amounts the player or Player Affiliate received for similar nonfootball playing services from an independent third party; and (2) the percentage of total com-pensation for nonfootball services received from third parties versus the Team or Team Affiliate.
Section 5.
Computation of Team Salary: During any League Year in which the Salary Cap is in effect, all of the following amounts shall be included every day in determining a Team’s Team Salary: 91
(a)
Player Contracts. Subject to the rules below in Section 6 of this Article, all amounts the Team has paid or is obligated to pay as set forth in all Player Contracts of current and former players covering a particular League Year, including exercised options, shall be included in Team Salary.
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Tenders.
(i) Drafted Rookies’ Salaries shall be included in Team Salary automatically as of the day of the Draft at the Minimum Active List Salary until (1) the player is signed, (2) the Team’s rights are relinquished through waivers, or (3) the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).
(ii) For Exclusive Rights players, the Minimum Active List Salary will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed, or the Team’s rights are relinquished.
(iii) For players who are Restricted Free Agents, the Qualifying Offer will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed, the Qualifying Offer is withdrawn, or a "June 1 Tender" (if applicable) is made. If the player is unsigned and the Team makes a June 1 Tender (if applicable) or June 15 Tender, such Tender will be included until the player is signed, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).
(iv) For players who are Unrestricted Free Agents, the June 1 Tender, if made, will be included in Team Salary as of July 15 and thereafter until the player is signed, the Tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished or extinguished, or the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).
(v) For Transition Players and Franchise Players, the tender will be included in Team Salary when made until the player is signed, the Tender is withdrawn, the Team’s rights are relinquished, or the Tuesday following the tenth game of the regular season (if the player is unsigned).
(vi) All Offer Sheets will be included in Team Salary when tendered until the player is signed to a Player Contract by any NFL Team, or the Offer Sheet is withdrawn.
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Practice Squad Contracts. Any Practice Squad contract Salaries shall be included in Team Salary except to the extent otherwise provided in Article 33, Section 5.
(d)
Termination Pay. Any type of Termination Pay liability will be included in Team Salary at the time the player is released, except to the extent the Team is relieved of any such liability.
(e)
Grievances. When a player salary grievance is filed against a Club, 40% of the amount claimed (or, for a player whose contract qualifies under Article 27, 40% of the player’s Salary Cap count, prorated to reflect the number of weeks remaining in the regular season) will be counted in Team Salary until the grievance is resolved or until the end of the League Year, whichever comes first; at the end of the League Year, if any grievances have been settled or awards have been made, if the net total grievance amounts paid by the Club are more than the original 40% attributions and put the Club over the Salary Cap, the excess will be deducted from the Club’s Team Salary in the following League Year; if the net total grievance amounts paid are less than the original 40% attributions and the Club finishes the season at the Salary Cap or below the Salary Cap by less than the amount of the unawarded attributions, the difference will be added to the Club’s Team Salary for the following League Year. If an award or settlement is 92
made for a grievance in a League Year after the grievance was filed, and the grievance amount paid is more than the original 40% attribution, the excess shall be included in Team Salary when paid; if the grievance amount is less than the original 40% attribution, the difference shall be deducted from Team Salary when the award is made.
(f)
Expansion Bonuses. Except as set forth in Article 32, any expansion bonuses paid to players shall be included in Team Salary.
(g)
Offseason Workouts. Beginning on the first day of the League Year, each Club’s Team Salary will be charged an amount that is calculated as follows: multiply the minimum daily amount set forth in Article 21, Section 3 ($155 for the 2011 League Year) by 2,880 (80 players × 4 days/week × 9 weeks = 2,880). At the conclusion of the program, this charge will be adjusted based upon the amounts actually paid to players who participated in the offseason program. At that time, the amount paid to each player will be charged to Salary and Team Salary, and the original charge set forth in the first sentence of this Subsection shall be removed from Team Salary. In addition to these amounts, any incentives in Player Contracts related to offseason workouts shall be in-cluded in Team Salary pursuant to Section 6©(iii) below.
(h)
Injury Protection. Beginning in the 2016 League Year, any type of In-jury Protection liability shall be included in Team Salary for the League Year for which such Injury Protection applies, or the League Year in which such Injury Protection is paid, agreed to be paid by settlement, or awarded, whichever is later.
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Other Amounts. Any other Salary not listed above paid to players shall be included in Team Salary.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:27 PM

Now this is helpful info. Thank God


It's probably the most informative thread on the cap as it relates to individual players in Huddle history.


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