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Espn insider:do not cut deangelo williams

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No, from a business point, we should keep Stew. Don't get lost in the forest for the trees.

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Trading Stewart would give us negative cap room at this point. Probably not a good idea.

Be more specific on the cap impications. This might be the thing the helps a club trade for him.

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Gettleman has the right idea. Big guys, QB's, WR's is where the money should be spent. If in a few years, the league changes a bunch of rules, it might dictate a different approach, but for now, I think he gets it, unlike the "double trouble" crowd here

I agree with what you are saying but regardless of rules, you still need a good running game to open up the defense.

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Yes, but you don't have to spend millions on RB's, they are plentiful and with the right Oline, can be very effective with guys in later rounds

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Be more specific on the cap impications. This might be the thing the helps a club trade for him.

What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/jonathan-stewart/

Stewart still has about 20 million guaranteed on his cap so the remaining balance of that would go against the cap. Which would be bad.

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Be more specific on the cap impications. This might be the thing the helps a club trade for him.

I am no cap genius by a long stretch of the imagination, but Stew's contract offers more value in that he is only guaranteed 23 mil over 5 years, with another 6 mil or so in bonuses depending on his production (all-purpose yards). Cutting Stew now would create a little more dead cap money (that must be paid) than D-Will's contract. Stew is the younger, stronger and faster back whose time is now, and when it comes time to resign him in five years, we can sign him to a reasonable contract in fitting with that time, or we let him go.

Someone who knows this stuff better, feel free to chime in.

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I wouldnt cut DeAngelo either unless we really had to. Seems like we can get rid of Gamble and Gross and will be under the cap. It all depends on how the draft goes and who Gettleman targets in free agency.

I love DeAngelo, but I wouldnt be opposed to releasing him if it means signing a safety or a #2 WR. Stewart and Tolbert could handle the backfield, but if this happens..Id pick up a scat back to go along with these 2.

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I am no cap genius by a long stretch of the imagination, but Stew's contract offers more value in that he is only guaranteed 23 mil over 5 years, with another 6 mil or so in bonuses depending on his production (all-purpose yards). Cutting Stew now would create a little more dead cap money (that must be paid) than D-Will's contract. Stew is the younger, stronger and faster back whose time is now, and when it comes time to resign him in five years, we can sign him to a reasonable contract in fitting with that time, or we let him go.

Someone who knows this stuff better, feel free to chime in.

I was not speaking of him retiring or being cut. Just looking at him from a trade standpoint.

What specifically would happen if someone wanted him in a trade?

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I was not speaking of him retiring or being cut. Just looking at him from a trade standpoint.

What specifically would happen if someone wanted him in a trade?

Same thing as him being cut, all guaranteed money would hit the cap. So it's really bad and his contract is horrible. It's such a bad contract it's funny.

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Same thing as him being cut, all guaranteed money would hit the cap. So it's really bad and his contract is horrible. It's such a bad contract it's funny.

It's not that bad, you just can't straight up trade him or cut him a year after he signs. It's like if you had a reasonable monthly loan payment and you decided "fug it" and tried to pay the whole thing off at once with credit cards. Which is pretty stupid.

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I was not speaking of him retiring or being cut. Just looking at him from a trade standpoint.

What specifically would happen if someone wanted him in a trade?

Well, I suppose in theory they could take over the responsibility if all sides agreed, but then we'd have no Stew and an aging D-Will. It's a gamble, but could work.

Same thing as him being cut, all guaranteed money would hit the cap. So it's really bad and his contract is horrible. It's such a bad contract it's funny.

I don't know how Stew for 5-6 mil a year is such a horrible contract. There are backs of his caliber getting much more.

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Before this season he missed two games in his entire career

Then he had both a high ankle and regular ankle sprain on the same play that essentially finished his season due to our record, I'm sure he would have been able to play had we been in the playoff hunt.

Don't get me wrong, I love Stewart. But the fact remains he has never had a season with us where there was not some nagging injury that he was dealing with. I just hate the thought of losing Deangelo. He has been an exemplary player and team mate, and having him in the queue with Stewart and Tolbert gives us a flexibility at the position that makes it easy to adjust to the injuries that seem to inevitably pop up.

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