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[rippadonn]

Well, I think win now mode means.....the 2013, 2014, 2015 window.

Tolbert, Williams, Stewart trio don't need to be together in that window if we are serious about winning. Our cap situation is much worse in 2014 than 2013.

We need to start adding guys that play.....not watch from the sideline with our money.

Before the last season I looked at it the same way but if we had let DWill go we would've been screwed, another #1 type back was great insurance. I feel very very good about Skipper returning and my curiosity has me interested in what he'll do with all the talent along with Shula.

I don't think Chud was very good at managing the run game and may have neglected it by having all that money on the bench in Tolbert. Later in the year they started to utilize the backfield pretty well(after Stew went down), hopefully it continues and flourishes.

I'd like to keep a strength a strength and not let it go just yet. If they figure out the puzzle (talent vs cap) this offense could be very special and our QB may have a clean jersey for once.

[CRA]

Before the last season I looked at it the same way but if we had let DWill go we would've been screwed, another #1 type back was great insurance. I feel very very good about Skipper returning and my curiosity has me interested in what he'll do with all the talent along with Shula.

I don't think Chud was very good at managing the run game and may have neglected it by having all that money on the bench in Tolbert. Later in the year they started to utilize the backfield pretty well(after Stew went down), hopefully it continues and flourishes.

I'd like to keep a strength a strength and not let it go just yet. If they figure out the puzzle (talent vs cap) this offense could be very special and our QB may have a clean jersey for once.

How would we have been screwed? Tolbert has carried a bigger load than the one Williams got at the end of last year before...and isn't like Williams did much outside when he played a historically bad D.

We don't need that many well paid RBs. We just don't.

[rippadonn]

How would we have been screwed? Tolbert has carried a bigger load than the one Williams got at the end of last year before...and isn't like Williams did much outside when he played a historically bad D.

We don't need that many well paid RBs. We just don't.

I'm with you there but I think that the position is still a valuable one. Those were terrible contracts. I'll go back to Chud again on why Williams couldn't perform as well as he has before, the guy is still a top tier RB. When we lined up in the i and use more traditional formations the second half of last season Williams had breakout games and looked like the same 1100yd player he used to be. I don't think we can question the talent and potential of these guys but the contracts were indeed ridiculous and may force us to break up the band one day.

[Frash Brastard]

I thought this was going to be a well thought article explaining the financial difficulty of cutting Deangelo.


Not one reminding me that we give ourselves breathing room with a stupid argument for keeping him.

If ESPN insider's analysis was accurate, that we would save that 4.8 mil and not incur any costs, the smart thing to do would be to not hesitate to drop him, since there's no need for 3 starting running backs in this league, use that additional savings to fortify the oline, and sign some mid-late round/UDFA rookie who'll probably run for 600 yards easy while spelling Stewart since you can basically pick up a rock and find a productive RB at this point.

[coralreefer_1]

Somewhat off topic, but it has been mentioned several times about how the league is becoming/has become a pass first league... and we should devote resources toward that goal...etc etc.

That in itself may be true, but from a fan perspective (at least mine) I would hate to see a league where most if not all teams pretty much played the same game with the same style. All contract/salary/cap stuff aside, if we can possibly have a team with something of an identity that differentiates us from others and be competitive, I would be happy with that. (being competitive the key point)


I do hope we can shore up our passing personnel, but that said I hope we don't become too much of a pass heavy team.

[Floppin]

Dwill not happy about the article.




DeAngelo Williams
So espn.com played a little game of "cut or dont cut" as if its fun and not people's actual lives (moving family etc) lol what do u think of their analysis?

[poorboysrev]

Somewhat off topic, but it has been mentioned several times about how the league is becoming/has become a pass first league... and we should devote resources toward that goal...etc etc.

That in itself may be true, but from a fan perspective (at least mine) I would hate to see a league where most if not all teams pretty much played the same game with the same style. All contract/salary/cap stuff aside, if we can possibly have a team with something of an identity that differentiates us from others and be competitive, I would be happy with that. (being competitive the key point)


I do hope we can shore up our passing personnel, but that said I hope we don't become too much of a pass heavy team.

I think we will run it more and a lot better with Chud gone. With the shift in the league I think you can still dominate on the ground like Houston, San Fran, Washington you just need the line and enough big play receiving options to keep them from crowding the box. I wish we had our Zone blocking scheme from 08. If you put that running game with Cam's arm/running it would be awesome. Oh yeah kind of like the Redskins O

[poorboysrev]

Dwill not happy about the article.




DeAngelo Williams
So espn.com played a little game of "cut or dont cut" as if its fun and not people's actual lives (moving family etc) lol what do u think of their analysis?

Seems like he wants to stay. Especially with Chud gone and Skipper back he just may lower his contract enough to stay. Make it incentive based. That way if Stew goes down and he has to carry the load he gets paid for it but if Stew is healthy he gets less wear and tear on him. If we get rid of him we better bring in a fast receiver because him, Steve, and Cam are our only threats to break one.

[carolina-chuck]

KEEP HIM

[CRA]

Seems like he wants to stay. Especially with Chud gone and Skipper back he just may lower his contract enough to stay. Make it incentive based. That way if Stew goes down and he has to carry the load he gets paid for it but if Stew is healthy he gets less wear and tear on him. If we get rid of him we better bring in a fast receiver because him, Steve, and Cam are our only threats to break one.

I think the paycheck > Skipper/Chud gone...in Williams' mind

[poorboysrev]

I think the paycheck > Skipper/Chud gone...in Williams' mind

Very possible. We'll see. I think if he was only worried about money then he wouldn't have been pissed about how he was used this year. He would've just sat back and been happy with his fat check whether he got 3 carries or 15.

[CRA]

Very possible. We'll see. I think if he was only worried about money then he wouldn't have been pissed about how he was used this year. He would've just sat back and been happy with his fat check whether he got 3 carries or 15.

Money is king.

But he also doesn't want to be THAT guy....the overpaid guy who doesn't produce. Williams was a below average RB in terms of production if you take out the NO Saints from the equation. Issue is if we have a healthy roster he simply will be overpaid....and even if another RB goes down he still will be overpaid.