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Hurney, the worst contract negotiator of all time? Panthers in worse cap shape in 2014


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#16 TheRed

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:07 PM

I really think some of you guys get overly worked up about the salary cap, shocking i know.

So since we are doomed with no hope, who will be the first to drink the poisoned punch?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:11 PM

When did he ever not spend just about the absolute limit he could under the cap? And when did he fail to restructure contracts in a way that allowed him to keep the vets, sign second-tier free agents, and sign all the rookies?

The point here isn't that Hurney needs defending, it's that what he left is the sort of thing that NFL GM's face every year, and they employ salary cap experts to help them navigate the challenges. We all know that some of the posters here have their panties in a bunch over everything Fox Hurney did, but let it go. It's on Gettleman now, and if he can't figure out a way to work through the current issues, he should be fired immediately.

For what it's worth, I bet in 3-4 years we're still up against the cap, and this time it will be on Gettleman contracts. That's because he works for the same guy Hurney did, and has the same guidelines.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:17 PM

When did he ever not spend just about the absolute limit he could under the cap? And when did he fail to restructure contracts in a way that allowed him to keep the vets, sign second-tier free agents, and sign all the rookies?

The point here isn't that Hurney needs defending, it's that what he left is the sort of thing that NFL GM's face every year, and they employ salary cap experts to help them navigate the challenges. We all know that some of the posters here have their panties in a bunch over everything Fox Hurney did, but let it go. It's on Gettleman now, and if he can't figure out a way to work through the current issues, he should be fired immediately.

For what it's worth, I bet in 3-4 years we're still up against the cap, and this time it will be on Gettleman contracts. That's because he works for the same guy Hurney did, and has the same guidelines.

Hurney over spent on average players, what GM would give Godfrey that type of deal? Or invest over 45 million in guaranteed money to RB's? As a GM, you have to know when to let go of certain players, do the Pats face the same challenge every year? How about the Eagles?

They don't. Because they know how to manipulate contracts, and when to let go of vets.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

lol defender of the fox/hurney legacy.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:19 PM

LOL at people who just can't let it go. :)

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

Hurney over spent on average players, what GM would give Godfrey that type of deal? Or invest over 45 million in guaranteed money to RB's? As a GM, you have to know when to let go of certain players, do the Pats face the same challenge every year? How about the Eagles?

They don't. Because they know how to manipulate contracts, and when to let go of vets.


I think Hurney did a good job at manipulating contracts, and a terrible job of knowing when to let go of vets.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

LOL at people who just can't let it go. :)

lol, at being blind that we're in this situation because of Hurney.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

14 is the year we should try to trade Beason and Williams if a restructure isnt done

You can't trade a 31 yr old RB with a fat contract

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

Eh, he did some bad stuff, but he got Cam and Kuechly while rarely missing in the first. He probably should have been fired, but he is not the unholy abomination that some people want to be all dramatic and bitch about. There have been numerous GMs recently that are/were worse than him.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:23 PM

Eh, he did some bad stuff, but he got Cam and Kuechly while rarely missing in the first. He probably should have been fired, but he is not the unholy abomination that some people want to be all dramatic and bitch about. There have been numerous GMs recently that are/were worse than him.

How many winning seasons? I'll wait.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:25 PM

How many winning seasons? I'll wait.


Cool, Skip Bayless. Why don't you go count rings and tell me why Brad Johnson is better than Marino.

He did fine job. Not good, not terrible, but fine which is why his trademark was 8-8 or 7-9.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

Our fans seem to accept mediocrity, or in Hurney's case, poo.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:30 PM

lol, at being blind that we're in this situation because of Hurney.

And thinking that this situation is insurmountable is just plain silly. We have the same issues as a ton of other teams, and if we were way under the cap everyone would be talking about how Hurney never spent enough.

Here's an interesting piece of information. He's gone. Has been for months, in fact. There's a new guy doing the job, and he's got the same sort of issues that most GMs do. Should we give him a five year pass now? Or maybe you and all the Hurney/Fox bashers can get on with your lives instead of working through your anger by taking shots at people who are no longer relevant.

So we're up against a lot of cap-imposed limitations on what we can spend. We all get it. Gamble is probably gone (which should please some people who think he's awful). There are other contracts that need to be renegotiated. The question here is what can Gettleman do about it, unless you take some sort of perverse satisfaction in being negative about Hurney.

I mean really, how long do you need to get over it?

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

Our fans seem to accept mediocrity, or in Hurney's case, poo.


Hey, you know the guy in your avatar? Hurney drafted him despite everyone else in the world saying it was a terrible idea. He did a lot of things poorly, but he did a lot well too.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

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