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#226 OnlyPantherFaninMaine

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:59 PM

Patterson would be the only WR I want at 14. He has the raw athletic ability to be a threat at both kick and punt returns, useful in the run game, and has the ability to be coached up into a #1 receiver. Big frame as well and a home run threat every time the ball is in his hands.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:02 PM

NFL Network's Mike Mayock said his "jaw dropped" after studying Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson on tape.
"The one kid I'm really interested in seeing run (at the Combine) is the Patterson kid from Tennessee," said Mayock. "You heard me say earlier I haven't seen any really explosive difference makers (in this draft); This kid's only played one year of Division-I football. And I put the tape on, my jaw dropped. And he's big. ... He's 6-foot-3, 200-plus pounds, and he flies. And he makes people miss all over the field. All I know is his ceiling could be really exciting because he's so darn raw. And I can't wait to see him run."
Feb 14 - 2:27 PM


Source: The Rich Eisen Podcast

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131085/cordarrelle-patterson

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

i think that it would be a much bigger deal doing that with a QB than a WR. not sure why the hang up on WR. we did what no team in their right mind should have done just looking at cam from a shear games played and background standpoint.

he just didn't have the background you want in a franchise QB. he just didn't have the experience you ideally want. it was a risk...MUCH bigger than taking a WR with one year of play time in a D1 school at 14...and it worked out.

patterson would be drafted for the same reason cam was....potential. that's pretty much the reason any player is drafted, btw. no one is proven coming into the league. college is nothing more than an audition for the pro game and some players you can tell in one year just how special they can be.

how long did it take for people to notice how special cam could be?

about patterson coming from a juco program...i seriously doubt it had anything to do with his talent and everything to do with his grades in high school.

the reasons that more aren't selected early who come out of juco programs has more to do with biases against those programs than anything. we all know that just because someone spent time at a juco doesn't mean they lacked talent. you have to only look as far as smittyand chad johnson...both of whom only played D1 football for one season and probably should have been drafted in the first round. no one would question a team now who would have taken a shot on them in the first, in fact they would have been lauded for making such a bold pick.

you could make a pretty solid list of players from other positions who come from juco programs and then transferred to a D1 school and went into the draft without a ton of time with that D1 program.

i have no doubt that gettleman and co. will be looking closely at patterson and won't be blind enough to just write him off because he's only got one year with a D1 school...not even for a pick at #14. there's going to be a lot of teams looking at him and i wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by our pick.

but with all that said, if we didn't take him in the first, i wouldn't be upset. i want the best player available picked, even if that player is going to be picked more because of his ceiling than overall record in college. i don't care how polished he, whoever that may be, is when we draft him.

i only care about what he has the potential to do here and that the guys making the pick aren't pussies about their selection. i'd rather they show they have the balls to make a pick that make other people scratch their heads...much like we have the last couple years in picking an unproven and raw talent first overall and then the next year picking a MLB despite the fact (well, what many touted as a fact even though it was just an opinion at the time) that we were stacked at MLB and it wasn't a "need" and that our "needs" were overlooked.

will a WR that we pick be able to step right in and start? i dunno...we essentially start 3 WRs or at least have 3 on the field most of the time so PT isn't going to be an issue and neither will be the lack of having that official designation. being one of two starters when we play at least 3 most of the game isn't that big of a deal.

will that WR be able to step in and play as good as smitty if smitty gets hurt? more than likely not, but that's not what we're hoping for. we're hoping that the WR corps won't look like poo when/if smitty goes down. the goal is in the short term to give cam more weapons and to shore up an average at best WR corps. to get another touchdown scorer. in the long term it's to get a corps that will be able to move on in the post-smitty era which isn't that far ahead in the future.

there is no guarantee that is what we will get, but there is no guarantee for any player of any position taken in any round that they will be what teams hope they will. there is always risk involved. some come with more risk, but have higher ceilings and intangibles that make them attractive. some come with less risk, but also lower ceilings. some are safe bets and the truth is no one knows who is going to work or not until they actually play in the NFL.

take one in the first or second...i don't care. or don't take one at all. a team with this many holes/thin spots can't afford to limit the scope of their decision making process to just one or two positions. they need to do what all teams do and pick the best player for their situation in any round.

anyone thinking that we will go into next season with a WR corps that isn't different from the one we have now...that we are going to be going into the season with no effort to improve our WR corps is going to be disappointed. gettleman comes from a background that keeps trying to improve their receivers regardless of how "set" they are there.


I could write an essay back but ill say this since im on my phone; Great fuging post.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

take one in the first or second...i don't care. or don't take one at all. a team with this many holes/thin spots can't afford to limit the scope of their decision making process to just one or two positions. they need to do what all teams do and pick the best player for their situation in any round.

anyone thinking that we will go into next season with a WR corps that isn't different from the one we have now...that we are going to be going into the season with no effort to improve our WR corps is going to be disappointed. gettleman comes from a background that keeps trying to improve their receivers regardless of how "set" they are there.


You hit the nail. Gettlemen/powers that be are in a position to change the culture of this Org. Do this offseason right, have a good to great year, and we can start shedding our fears of the past.

And all he has to do is what he has always done. Evaluate and bring in talent.

As long as the player we pick up makes our team better, I couldn't be happier. And I just have faith that Gettlemen and Co. won't be shy in trying to upgrade any position at any time. So not only am I now excited about the prospect of a revamped WR and DB corp. But about the fact that very few players have a get out of jail free card.

This team could look very much different next year. And with each change comes an upgrade. That should jack your giddy.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:43 PM

How about you try and put up some WR? I did what you ask and you have yet to even try. Play the game fair or don't play at all.

Plus to the point you're trying to make thru the history of the league more teams have been willing to reach and take a gamble on QB's. Not to much on Wr (which is why you can't come up with a WR example). Cam, Tanniehill last year and some team will reach this year in a weak QB draft.


I just want to post this again so people here will understand that their are a lot of example of people reaching for a QB no matter the situation.
Again Tanniehill was the 8th pick in the draft and spent most of his college career playing WR. Somebody will reach this year in the top 10 on a QB while most experts and scouts think it's a horrible QB year. The same can not be said for WR's. Different position different rules in the way you draft and rate them on the risk reward meter.

I also like to state that using Cam as your example is stupid because

1. Cam had the greatest 1 season for a QB in the history of college. Patterson didn't have the greatest season for a WR.

2. Cam lead a team that would have won 6-7 games without him to a undefeated season and a national championship. Patterson you know didn't.

3. Cam had a passer rating and TD to int ratio that rivaled some of the greats at his position (Manning, Brees). Patterson wasn't the best WR on his team.

4. As the process went further scouts started noticing that was a Natural Passer. We won't know until TC and a few games if Patterson is a natural pass catcher or route runne.

5. We needed a QB more when Cam was drafted then we need a WR now.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:57 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131085/cordarrelle-patterson


Again I'm seeing a whole lot about speed and size (which nobody is saying he's not a freak of a athlete) but I'm not seeing anything about his route running and pass catching ability from these guys when they watch his tapes.

I will put a sig bet to any if you.

That not only will his teammate Justin Hunter have more impact earlier but will be the better player over their careers.

Who will take the bet?

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

did you not read silva's article?

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:42 PM

actually i think hunter was viewed as the lead wr for the vols its just that he got hurt real bad and people came off of him a lot.

like i said before he reminded people of moss with the way he was BUILT(tall&slim) and how he could be deep threat.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

How can anyone downgrade Patterson for playing juco before transferring when the 2 best offensive players in Panthers history did the same??

Smitty at Santa Monica and Cam at Blynn for those who are not aware or forgot.


But those guys were born on earth, Cam is from Krypton!

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

actually i think hunter was viewed as the lead wr for the vols its just that he got hurt real bad and people came off of him a lot.

like i said before he reminded people of moss with the way he was BUILT(tall&slim) and how he could be deep threat.


I like the fact he is willing to go over the middle and make catches in traffic. Plus his long 6'4 frame is a mismatch for 6'0 feet and under DB's.

73 rec. 1083 yards and 9 td coming off a ACL is impressive to say the least.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/42536/321/patterson-the-playmaker


Yes please.

from the article re: route running.

I think I read somewhere that Patterson is a poor route runner. Could've fooled me. He ran a full route tree in Tennessee's pro-style offense, executing the curl, hitch, skinny post, slant, back-shoulder fade, and deep-in as an X receiver, and the out-and-up and shallow cross from the slot. Just once did I see Patterson seem to blow a route; versus Vanderbilt. I couldn't tell if the miscommunication was on him or Tyler Bray. Patterson shot in and out of breaks. He used a crossover to evade press coverage off the line of scrimmage. His body control was fantastic both along the sideline and in the open field.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

this is for you KKL



Justin Hunter was supposed to be the Volunteers' top draft prospect as the 2012 season got underway. His running mate out wide would have something to say about that. During a one-year stay at Tennessee after transferring from a Kansas community college, 21-year-old true junior Cordarrelle Patterson emerged as the Vols' premier all-purpose weapon. Patterson found four different ways to score touchdowns and averaged an 18.8-yard gain every time he handled the rock.




I think I read somewhere that Patterson is a poor route runner. Could've fooled me. He ran a full route tree in Tennessee's pro-style offense, executing the curl, hitch, skinny post, slant, back-shoulder fade, and deep-in as an X receiver, and the out-and-up and shallow cross from the slot. Just once did I see Patterson seem to blow a route; versus Vanderbilt. I couldn't tell if the miscommunication was on him or Tyler Bray. Patterson shot in and out of breaks. He used a crossover to evade press coverage off the line of scrimmage. His body control was fantastic both along the sideline and in the open field.





I have a feeling the biggest "concern" with Patterson will be intangible. He played at JUCO. He might not be great in the classroom. Fortunately, he looks plenty smart on the football field.

Patterson also didn't have great receiving stats. He was the No. 2 option in Tennessee's passing game, behind more experienced Hunter. Patterson finished his junior season with a relatively pedestrian 46 catches for 778 yards and five TDs. Box-score scouts figure to hold this against him, dismissing Patterson's 12.3 yards-per-carry average and team-high ten all-purpose scores.




Patterson's game tape is nothing short of sensational, and as explained above he dominated games in the SEC even while taking a receiving backseat to Hunter. Watch Patterson work the slant and fade versus Florida. He lit up Missouri and Mississippi State with game-breaking all-purpose plays. Patterson broke off a 45-yard kickoff return against Alabama. On a reverse, Patterson made swiss cheese of the middle of Georgia's defense on a 46-yard end-zone trip.

Based on what I read about Patterson before watching the tape, I expected a raw, unpolished, mistake-prone receiver. A talented project. I did see big-time talent, but I didn't see many mistakes at all.

If Cordarrelle Patterson is a boom-or-bust pick in April's draft, write me down as predicting a smashing boom.

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rayzor just beat me to it.lmao.
http://www.rotoworld...n-the-playmaker

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:07 PM

Also for those wanting to compare Patterson and Hunter read this article. This is straight from a writer who covers Tennessee.

http://www.govolsxtr...son-will-leave/

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

from the article re: route running.


I don't care or respect Silva anyway so..........

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:24 PM

this is for you KKL



















rayzor just beat me to it.lmao.
http://www.rotoworld...n-the-playmaker



Put your sig up or shut up. Hunter will be the better player faster and over their Career's then Patterson. I'm willing to bet are you?


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