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#221 koolkatluke

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

Personally, I want two playmaking starters with our first two picks. As long as they aren't a QB, RB, or LB I could give a rats azz what position they play. We have 7 on Offense, so I would prefer Defensive help. But as long as they are playmakers when they hit the field, position doesn't matter.

We scored 28 points or more in 4 of our last 6 games. If that trend continues, we will be able to go as far as our D will take us. Which is why I would prefer to add plamakers to this side of the ball. DB or DT, or both, that can hit the field running would mean a ton. We were above average last year. Throw in a couple more playmakers and we should be top 10.

We are close already. Adding two playmakers with our first two picks really can be the difference between making or not making the playoffs. Toss in a couple value FA at RG and TE and we are competitive with anyone.

WR is a need, just not a vital one. Using the 14th pick on an unknown quantity is a risk we cannot afford to take. Or maybe we can? Who knows what will transpire between now and the draft. Maybe we can afford to take Patterson. Use him for returns and mix in a few packages while we let him grow.

Under a perfect storm could we go WR. But hellz, why not?


I agree.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:02 PM

There isn't any, no one's even saying there has been any.

But no one beisides koolkatluke thinks it's never going to happen.


So we have to be the test dummy for this? OK great plan.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

I see some responses gloating about the points we scored in the 2nd half of the season.

Lets see who we scored all these points against.(edit accidentally added the skins so this is final 9 games)

21 vs the Skins. They gave up 24.2 per game over the course of the season. (1 Passing TD this game)

14 vs the Broncos. They gave up 18.1 a game over the course of the season.(2 Passing TD's this game)

21 vs the Bucs.They gave up 24.6 a game over the course of the season.(1 Passing TD this game)

30 vs the Eagles. They gave up 27.8 a game over the course of the season.(2 Passing TD's this game)

21 vs the Chiefs. They gave up 26.6 a game over the course of the season(3 Passing TD's this game)

30 vs the Falcons. They gave up 18.7 a game over the course of the season.(2 Passing TD's this game)

30 vs the Chargers. They gave up 21.9 a game over the course of the season.(2 Passing TD's this game)

17 vs the Raiders. They gave up 27.7 a game over the course of the season.(1 Passing TD this game)

44 vs the Saints. They gave up 28.4 a game over the course of the season and were the worst Defense in NFL history.(0 Passing TD's this game)


Thats 9 games(argued to be our best) and only in 4 of them did we score than our opponents gave up on average anyway.

BTW when Gettleman said more "Touchdown Scorers" did any of you actually think he meant more running backs? Of course an argument could be made for another threat at TE do help us here but good luck finding that in the draft and once again will still leave a hole trying to fill Smith's shoes when he retires.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

You DIDN'T do what I asked, I asked for QB, with under 300 passing attempts, starting for only one year coming from a gimmicky offense being drafted 1st overall.

You can't come up with one because, besides Cam, there isn't one.

It'd be different if only the huddle we're saying Patterson is a top 15 pick but actual draftniks and scouts are saying this kid is a physical freak,

Some players get drafted on potential alone, it's not that hard to understand.

i think that it would be a much bigger deal doing that with a QB than a WR. not sure why the hang up on WR. we did what no team in their right mind should have done just looking at cam from a shear games played and background standpoint.

he just didn't have the background you want in a franchise QB. he just didn't have the experience you ideally want. it was a risk...MUCH bigger than taking a WR with one year of play time in a D1 school at 14...and it worked out.

patterson would be drafted for the same reason cam was....potential. that's pretty much the reason any player is drafted, btw. no one is proven coming into the league. college is nothing more than an audition for the pro game and some players you can tell in one year just how special they can be.

how long did it take for people to notice how special cam could be?

about patterson coming from a juco program...i seriously doubt it had anything to do with his talent and everything to do with his grades in high school.

the reasons that more aren't selected early who come out of juco programs has more to do with biases against those programs than anything. we all know that just because someone spent time at a juco doesn't mean they lacked talent. you have to only look as far as smittyand chad johnson...both of whom only played D1 football for one season and probably should have been drafted in the first round. no one would question a team now who would have taken a shot on them in the first, in fact they would have been lauded for making such a bold pick.

you could make a pretty solid list of players from other positions who come from juco programs and then transferred to a D1 school and went into the draft without a ton of time with that D1 program.

i have no doubt that gettleman and co. will be looking closely at patterson and won't be blind enough to just write him off because he's only got one year with a D1 school...not even for a pick at #14. there's going to be a lot of teams looking at him and i wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by our pick.

but with all that said, if we didn't take him in the first, i wouldn't be upset. i want the best player available picked, even if that player is going to be picked more because of his ceiling than overall record in college. i don't care how polished he, whoever that may be, is when we draft him.

i only care about what he has the potential to do here and that the guys making the pick aren't pussies about their selection. i'd rather they show they have the balls to make a pick that make other people scratch their heads...much like we have the last couple years in picking an unproven and raw talent first overall and then the next year picking a MLB despite the fact (well, what many touted as a fact even though it was just an opinion at the time) that we were stacked at MLB and it wasn't a "need" and that our "needs" were overlooked.

will a WR that we pick be able to step right in and start? i dunno...we essentially start 3 WRs or at least have 3 on the field most of the time so PT isn't going to be an issue and neither will be the lack of having that official designation. being one of two starters when we play at least 3 most of the game isn't that big of a deal.

will that WR be able to step in and play as good as smitty if smitty gets hurt? more than likely not, but that's not what we're hoping for. we're hoping that the WR corps won't look like poo when/if smitty goes down. the goal is in the short term to give cam more weapons and to shore up an average at best WR corps. to get another touchdown scorer. in the long term it's to get a corps that will be able to move on in the post-smitty era which isn't that far ahead in the future.

there is no guarantee that is what we will get, but there is no guarantee for any player of any position taken in any round that they will be what teams hope they will. there is always risk involved. some come with more risk, but have higher ceilings and intangibles that make them attractive. some come with less risk, but also lower ceilings. some are safe bets and the truth is no one knows who is going to work or not until they actually play in the NFL.

take one in the first or second...i don't care. or don't take one at all. a team with this many holes/thin spots can't afford to limit the scope of their decision making process to just one or two positions. they need to do what all teams do and pick the best player for their situation in any round.

anyone thinking that we will go into next season with a WR corps that isn't different from the one we have now...that we are going to be going into the season with no effort to improve our WR corps is going to be disappointed. gettleman comes from a background that keeps trying to improve their receivers regardless of how "set" they are there.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:34 PM

How can anyone downgrade Patterson for playing juco before transferring when the 2 best offensive players in Panthers history did the same??

Smitty at Santa Monica and Cam at Blynn for those who are not aware or forgot.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 06:59 PM

Patterson would be the only WR I want at 14. He has the raw athletic ability to be a threat at both kick and punt returns, useful in the run game, and has the ability to be coached up into a #1 receiver. Big frame as well and a home run threat every time the ball is in his hands.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:02 PM

NFL Network's Mike Mayock said his "jaw dropped" after studying Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson on tape.
"The one kid I'm really interested in seeing run (at the Combine) is the Patterson kid from Tennessee," said Mayock. "You heard me say earlier I haven't seen any really explosive difference makers (in this draft); This kid's only played one year of Division-I football. And I put the tape on, my jaw dropped. And he's big. ... He's 6-foot-3, 200-plus pounds, and he flies. And he makes people miss all over the field. All I know is his ceiling could be really exciting because he's so darn raw. And I can't wait to see him run."
Feb 14 - 2:27 PM


Source: The Rich Eisen Podcast

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131085/cordarrelle-patterson

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:10 PM

i think that it would be a much bigger deal doing that with a QB than a WR. not sure why the hang up on WR. we did what no team in their right mind should have done just looking at cam from a shear games played and background standpoint.

he just didn't have the background you want in a franchise QB. he just didn't have the experience you ideally want. it was a risk...MUCH bigger than taking a WR with one year of play time in a D1 school at 14...and it worked out.

patterson would be drafted for the same reason cam was....potential. that's pretty much the reason any player is drafted, btw. no one is proven coming into the league. college is nothing more than an audition for the pro game and some players you can tell in one year just how special they can be.

how long did it take for people to notice how special cam could be?

about patterson coming from a juco program...i seriously doubt it had anything to do with his talent and everything to do with his grades in high school.

the reasons that more aren't selected early who come out of juco programs has more to do with biases against those programs than anything. we all know that just because someone spent time at a juco doesn't mean they lacked talent. you have to only look as far as smittyand chad johnson...both of whom only played D1 football for one season and probably should have been drafted in the first round. no one would question a team now who would have taken a shot on them in the first, in fact they would have been lauded for making such a bold pick.

you could make a pretty solid list of players from other positions who come from juco programs and then transferred to a D1 school and went into the draft without a ton of time with that D1 program.

i have no doubt that gettleman and co. will be looking closely at patterson and won't be blind enough to just write him off because he's only got one year with a D1 school...not even for a pick at #14. there's going to be a lot of teams looking at him and i wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by our pick.

but with all that said, if we didn't take him in the first, i wouldn't be upset. i want the best player available picked, even if that player is going to be picked more because of his ceiling than overall record in college. i don't care how polished he, whoever that may be, is when we draft him.

i only care about what he has the potential to do here and that the guys making the pick aren't pussies about their selection. i'd rather they show they have the balls to make a pick that make other people scratch their heads...much like we have the last couple years in picking an unproven and raw talent first overall and then the next year picking a MLB despite the fact (well, what many touted as a fact even though it was just an opinion at the time) that we were stacked at MLB and it wasn't a "need" and that our "needs" were overlooked.

will a WR that we pick be able to step right in and start? i dunno...we essentially start 3 WRs or at least have 3 on the field most of the time so PT isn't going to be an issue and neither will be the lack of having that official designation. being one of two starters when we play at least 3 most of the game isn't that big of a deal.

will that WR be able to step in and play as good as smitty if smitty gets hurt? more than likely not, but that's not what we're hoping for. we're hoping that the WR corps won't look like poo when/if smitty goes down. the goal is in the short term to give cam more weapons and to shore up an average at best WR corps. to get another touchdown scorer. in the long term it's to get a corps that will be able to move on in the post-smitty era which isn't that far ahead in the future.

there is no guarantee that is what we will get, but there is no guarantee for any player of any position taken in any round that they will be what teams hope they will. there is always risk involved. some come with more risk, but have higher ceilings and intangibles that make them attractive. some come with less risk, but also lower ceilings. some are safe bets and the truth is no one knows who is going to work or not until they actually play in the NFL.

take one in the first or second...i don't care. or don't take one at all. a team with this many holes/thin spots can't afford to limit the scope of their decision making process to just one or two positions. they need to do what all teams do and pick the best player for their situation in any round.

anyone thinking that we will go into next season with a WR corps that isn't different from the one we have now...that we are going to be going into the season with no effort to improve our WR corps is going to be disappointed. gettleman comes from a background that keeps trying to improve their receivers regardless of how "set" they are there.


I could write an essay back but ill say this since im on my phone; Great fuging post.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:32 PM

take one in the first or second...i don't care. or don't take one at all. a team with this many holes/thin spots can't afford to limit the scope of their decision making process to just one or two positions. they need to do what all teams do and pick the best player for their situation in any round.

anyone thinking that we will go into next season with a WR corps that isn't different from the one we have now...that we are going to be going into the season with no effort to improve our WR corps is going to be disappointed. gettleman comes from a background that keeps trying to improve their receivers regardless of how "set" they are there.


You hit the nail. Gettlemen/powers that be are in a position to change the culture of this Org. Do this offseason right, have a good to great year, and we can start shedding our fears of the past.

And all he has to do is what he has always done. Evaluate and bring in talent.

As long as the player we pick up makes our team better, I couldn't be happier. And I just have faith that Gettlemen and Co. won't be shy in trying to upgrade any position at any time. So not only am I now excited about the prospect of a revamped WR and DB corp. But about the fact that very few players have a get out of jail free card.

This team could look very much different next year. And with each change comes an upgrade. That should jack your giddy.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:43 PM

How about you try and put up some WR? I did what you ask and you have yet to even try. Play the game fair or don't play at all.

Plus to the point you're trying to make thru the history of the league more teams have been willing to reach and take a gamble on QB's. Not to much on Wr (which is why you can't come up with a WR example). Cam, Tanniehill last year and some team will reach this year in a weak QB draft.


I just want to post this again so people here will understand that their are a lot of example of people reaching for a QB no matter the situation.
Again Tanniehill was the 8th pick in the draft and spent most of his college career playing WR. Somebody will reach this year in the top 10 on a QB while most experts and scouts think it's a horrible QB year. The same can not be said for WR's. Different position different rules in the way you draft and rate them on the risk reward meter.

I also like to state that using Cam as your example is stupid because

1. Cam had the greatest 1 season for a QB in the history of college. Patterson didn't have the greatest season for a WR.

2. Cam lead a team that would have won 6-7 games without him to a undefeated season and a national championship. Patterson you know didn't.

3. Cam had a passer rating and TD to int ratio that rivaled some of the greats at his position (Manning, Brees). Patterson wasn't the best WR on his team.

4. As the process went further scouts started noticing that was a Natural Passer. We won't know until TC and a few games if Patterson is a natural pass catcher or route runne.

5. We needed a QB more when Cam was drafted then we need a WR now.


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