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#61 DaCityKats

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:25 PM

Correct. Marty screwed up when he drafted fallers that he did not expect to fall and probably had not done the research he needed to make a wise decision.

Jarrett
E. Brown
Clausen

He got lucky with Hardy, but for the most part, he screwed up when that happens. Heck, KC and Minnesota needed a QB desperately when Clausen dropped by them in the SECOND round. That alone should tell you something.

exactly, you have to do your research on these guys.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

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I don't think you understand what luxury pick means if you thing WR is a luxury.


It's not a dire need for us. Of all our needs this year, WR is towards the bottom. For our #1 pick, it's not only a luxury pick but a reach.

It wouldn't be a luxury pick if we didn't have Smitty around. It would become a premium need then, but it isn't right now. And yes, we need to find a future replacement for him but this draft class is not worth picking one up for our first pick when we have the chance at grabbing a number of great lineman to improve one of the team's true weakenesses. They will make far more of an impact from day one compared to a rookie #2 reciever.

Giving Cam more weapons is pointless when he has no armor.

I would rather see us go for a solid WR in FA before wasting our #1 draft pick on one.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

I agree, but I would take him at 14. Some on here would not, and I see that. With Gross at 34 and an upgrade needed at RT, I take Johnson and put him at RT for a season. However, I do not see him there at 14. I think KC or Philly takes Joeckel, Arizona takes Fisher, and San Diego or Miami take Johnson. San Diego could take Warmack as well.

Until recently, I was not on board with taking Warmack if he is there and Johnson gone. I still cannot decide. A first round G when we have so many needs?

My opinion--I try to trade back if we cannot get Johnson. While there are no elite WRs, there are some very good ones to be had between picks 12-75. Some people think we need to allow Gettis, Adams, and pilares to step up. I want to see more from that tall WR on the PS (Lamont Bryant?). Too many needs for a team with 2 picks in the top 100 and no cap space.


i couldnt take warmack at 14 and johnson wont be there. i want to trade back also ( i made a mock with use trading for rams 22 pick). The only player i really see being there and worth taking at 14 without trading back is Kenny V. Saftey is indeed a weakness and he would be the cornerstone of our secondary for years to come. but i really would perfer to help cam in the first two picks.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

i couldnt take warmack at 14 and johnson wont be there. i want to trade back also ( i made a mock with use trading for rams 22 pick). The only player i really see being there and worth taking at 14 without trading back is Kenny V. Saftey is indeed a weakness and he would be the cornerstone of our secondary for years to come. but i really would perfer to help cam in the first two picks.

We probably need to get out of the 14th pick if possible.

The Dolphins have 9 picks and cap room--I had a mock where we gave them 14 (so they could add the best WR in the draft to go with Johnson) and they sent us 42, 54, and 77.

The way this draft seems to be, I would take it.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

Da'Rick Rogers!!

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

i couldnt take warmack at 14 and johnson wont be there. i want to trade back also ( i made a mock with use trading for rams 22 pick). The only player i really see being there and worth taking at 14 without trading back is Kenny V. Saftey is indeed a weakness and he would be the cornerstone of our secondary for years to come. but i really would perfer to help cam in the first two picks.


Although I wouldn't take Johnson at 14 I agree with everything else. Vaccaro/Allen/Patterson are three of the few I think is deserving of the no.14 pick.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

smith gets hurt....what u GOT...nothing. wr in 1st or 2nd round.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

I am not against getting WR in the first round as long as he is polished enough to be worthy of a 1st Round pick. That would mean he is ready to START game 1. I don't want the best WR in this draft if he doesn't meet the criteria for a first round WR.

I don't care if he can run 4.1. I want to know he can catch in traffic, run a good route and produce starting game 1. If any WR is not polished enough to do this. He is not worthy of the first round pick.

We cannot waste our first pick on a player that is going to be ready in 2014 or 2015.


Exactly!!! If your first round pick isn't challenging the starters from day one (and I'm not just talking about lafell ) it is a wasted pick . Specially if it's a top 15 pick.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:36 PM

Vaccaro is certainly a option, If Godfrey doesnt show huge improvement this coming season he could be gone because of his cap number after next year anyway. We would have another hole.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

we didn't win more last year because we didn't score enough. we didn't stay on the field long enough. we didn't extend enough drives. we didn't get to the red zone enough. we didn't get into the endzone enough. our WRs couldn't get open enough and they didn't catch enough and they couldn't do enough when they got their hands on the ball. the OL couldn't block enough because cam couldnt find open and reliable targets enough.

we need more weapons for cam. we do need more help on the OL but i think we need more help at WR. the OL can't make the WRs become better targets. they shouldn't have to block for 5 seconds because cam can't find a WR who can get open. with shula at OC we're gonna have to be able to have more guys who can make big plays.

and does anyone think we can actually count on smitty staying active all season? we are on borrowed time with him. what's that WR corps going to look like without him? i can't imagine anyone but the most blind homers thinking that we'd be ok without him.


That's your BS opinion because you've been affected with WR fever. I blame our offensive woes (like most experts and stats do) on Chud dumb ass play calling and offensive plan and a under performing oline more then the WR.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

lol touchy.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

smith gets hurt....what u GOT...nothing. wr in 1st or 2nd round.


The same thing you have if you draft a wr in the 1st round this year. Still nobody on the roster that can replace 89.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

It's not a dire need for us. Of all our needs this year, WR is towards the bottom. For our #1 pick, it's not only a luxury pick but a reach.

It wouldn't be a luxury pick if we didn't have Smitty around. It would become a premium need then, but it isn't right now. And yes, we need to find a future replacement for him but this draft class is not worth picking one up for our first pick when we have the chance at grabbing a number of great lineman to improve one of the team's true weakenesses. They will make far more of an impact from day one compared to a rookie #2 reciever.

Giving Cam more weapons is pointless when he has no armor.

I would rather see us go for a solid WR in FA before wasting our #1 draft pick on one.


I agree and I Think more of the line of a #3 wr. Because I don't think a wr this class will challenge Lafell for the number 2# spot.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

i couldnt take warmack at 14 and johnson wont be there. i want to trade back also ( i made a mock with use trading for rams 22 pick). The only player i really see being there and worth taking at 14 without trading back is Kenny V. Saftey is indeed a weakness and he would be the cornerstone of our secondary for years to come. but i really would perfer to help cam in the first two picks.


What about Sharrif Floyd or Sheldon Richardson. They will be good picks at that spot.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

Although I wouldn't take Johnson at 14 I agree with everything else. Vaccaro/Allen/Patterson are three of the few I think is deserving of the no.14 pick.


I would consider Allen but Patterson has to many ? And to raw for a pick that high.


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