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#16 cookinwithgas

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:32 AM

OK kids, in gym today you all are going to be shimmying under this barbed wire while live rounds are fired above your head. It's for your own good. Don't forget your safety helmets!

#17 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:46 AM

Okay all you rule keeping, no common sense sheep.

If this guy had been working at Newtowne, with a gun in his car, and had the balls, could he have ran to his car and back into the school waaaaaaaay before the cops got there? Could he have saved a few kids from their fate?


Honestly, probably not. There are to many questions. One, would he have had to travel past the gunman to get to where his car was parked? Two, how long would it take to realize what was going on? A combat trained soldier might realize immediately, but someone who just likes guns may or may not. And he would be facing a killer with a bushmaster rifle, and all he had was a pistol. It would have been a mismatch. And most of the people killed were in the first two classrooms and the office at the front. After that, the guy just went around looking for people to kill, but everyone barricaded themselves, so he was unable to find anyone. So I doubt he would have done much good.



All the talk about arming teachers makes me think of several teachers I knew with very bad tempers. I am not sure I would want any of them having guns.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:11 AM

How does having one gun and a knife equate to an infatuation with guns?

Poor journalism.

Also... A locking knife is illegal? Is it because it was a school campus?

In NC, your vehicle is your personal property, regardless of where it is parked.


Maybe so ... but http://www.ncleg.net...S_14-269.2.html

#19 Mr. Scot

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

To be clear, this is not a second amendment issue.

The second amendment gives you the right to own a gun. It does not say you can take it wherever you want without consequence.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Guns and other weapons are prohibited on most school campuses, including colleges -- so don't be bringing them here this summer!

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:39 AM

It is amazing that Republicans or gun advocates keep telling me we have this incredible mental health issue where in the United States we just have more mentally ill people than in any other industrialized nation, and that we have a gun culture that desensitizes us to gun violence through TV, movies, and video games.

And their answer to this epidemic, that seems to be only relevant in the US, is to provide even more guns for us mentally ill desensitized people with even less restriction to be able to obtain one.

Genius!

#22 Nicks To The Colts

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

To be clear, this is not a second amendment issue.

The second amendment gives you the right to own a gun. It does not say you can take it wherever you want without consequence.


it'd be like arguing that he should be allowed to watch porn or brown bag a bottle of thunderbird in his truck on school property because those are 'first amendment issues'.

#23 pstall

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:11 PM

still say a simple early help to alleviating fears of gunmen storming schools as the mere threat or notion an armed security officer is already at the school.

but instead, we are going to do the typical political fix of going at the uber macro level and institute all kinds of laws and somehow magially the mental health issue is going to be fixed and that will be the perfect filter to keep the bad guys from doing wrong.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

can we please stop saying "bad guys?" It really obscures the issue, flattens the discourse and falsely separates these perpetrators from the gen pop... when the most important aspect of these events (and the biggest thing worth discussing) is that they are, in fact, part of the gen pop...

not speaking to you specifically pstall... just sayin'

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:15 PM

How does having one gun and a knife equate to an infatuation with guns?

Poor journalism.

Also... A locking knife is illegal? Is it because it was a school campus?

In NC, your vehicle is your personal property, regardless of where it is parked.



No it is a class I felony to have a weapon on school grounds.

http://www.ncga.stat...S_14-269.2.html

#26 PhillyB

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

they should just have guns in those little containers that hold fire extinguishers... smash the glass in case of emergency, grab the gun and shoot the perp. one in every classroom. but nooooo the LIEberals on charge will keep this from happening

#27 cookinwithgas

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:07 PM

Why doesn't he just keep a bottle of Jack in the car, from what I'm told drunk drivers are just as deadly as psychos with AR-15s.

#28 Bronn

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

No it is a class I felony to have a weapon on school grounds.

http://www.ncga.stat...S_14-269.2.html


"possess or carry" is a grey area...

This is especially true with the changes made in 2011 for the Castle Doctrine...

Your vehicle, regardless of where you are parked, is your property...

I can see where you're coming from, and I understand completely... But, I've asked several law enforcement officers and court officials about such a situation (not necessarily a school campus, but similar places where weapons are banned) and as long as it is locked in your personal vehicle, it would be hard to charge you with anything.

If you think about it... What situation would lead you to even being found in possession? Letting folks know it is there? Pulling it out and showing it off? If you do stuff like that, you deserve anything that comes your way from a legal standpoint.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

"possess or carry" is a grey area...

This is especially true with the changes made in 2011 for the Castle Doctrine...

Your vehicle, regardless of where you are parked, is your property...

I can see where you're coming from, and I understand completely... But, I've asked several law enforcement officers and court officials about such a situation (not necessarily a school campus, but similar places where weapons are banned) and as long as it is locked in your personal vehicle, it would be hard to charge you with anything.

If you think about it... What situation would lead you to even being found in possession? Letting folks know it is there? Pulling it out and showing it off? If you do stuff like that, you deserve anything that comes your way from a legal standpoint.


If your vehicle is searched for another legal reason, and a weapon is found, charges could be filed.

#30 Bronn

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

If your vehicle is searched for another legal reason, and a weapon is found, charges could be filed.


What is a legal reason without probable cause?


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