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#25 iamhubby1

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:11 PM

Past doesn't mean much.

Williams averaged 3.3 yards per carry this year....in 14 games this year. His 2 games against the worst D in NFL history gave him and huge bump. He wasn't good this year. Stewart is better when healthy for Cam and behind a poor OL in general.


According to Panthers own site. DWill averaged 4.3 while Stew averaged 3.6. That is almost a yard more. Please quit trying to downplay DWill's ability.

4.3 is damm near average in the NFL. If that is his worst year, I will take it. Even with Chud screwing up, and the O-line in flux, DWill still got average numbers while Stew's were well below that mark.

The only thing a no name RB has over DWill is salary. If that part can be worked out. We won't need your no name RB.

If RBs really were a dime a dozen everyone would have one or even two. So why are so many teams looking for RBs? Because truly good runninbacks are gold. Teams throw everything the have into finding gems, because you never know where the next one will come from. But as a rule, if you don't draft one high enough, you are just throwing darts at the wall.

Because they are in position to take the most abuse, by ontinually be hit, tackled, and be used as a cushion. Hence, much shorter careers. They tend to, by nature of the postition, get more money. So if they get lucky and last, they can be a burden on you cash. We are at that awkward stage with not one, but two RBs.

Ask yourself this question. If we can only have one RB which one would it be? The one who is the better natural runner, shiftier and quicker, and can take a screen to the house. Or the one who is more physical and can never seem to be 100%, who can get you positive yards and occasionally break one off, and is steady and strong in the screen game.

They way the game is played now. I would take the explosive player. And that is DWill. Renegotiate his deal. And if we can afford him, keep him.

Stewy is still a beast, but in this day and age I want playmakers/homerun threats carrying and catching the ball.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:43 PM

I love how over confident our fanbase has gotten when it comes to having a good backfield.

Yeah, lets make cam do it all.


believe it or not, teams do more with less. if we can't find good RBs later in the draft and must resort to paying 45mil to RBs, we don't deserve to win games.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

You just never know - Dwill may have his agent talking right now about renegotiating in a way that helps our cap and keeps him in Charlotte. Cam has had an effect on players - some guys just want to be here and are willing to work with the staff to find a way that they can stay.

Who knows, Dwill might be one of those guys that will do what he needs to in order to stay.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

According to Panthers own site. DWill averaged 4.3 while Stew averaged 3.6. That is almost a yard more. Please quit trying to downplay DWill's ability.

4.3 is damm near average in the NFL. If that is his worst year, I will take it. Even with Chud screwing up, and the O-line in flux, DWill still got average numbers while Stew's were well below that mark.

The only thing a no name RB has over DWill is salary. If that part can be worked out. We won't need your no name RB.

If RBs really were a dime a dozen everyone would have one or even two. So why are so many teams looking for RBs? Because truly good runninbacks are gold. Teams throw everything the have into finding gems, because you never know where the next one will come from. But as a rule, if you don't draft one high enough, you are just throwing darts at the wall.

Because they are in position to take the most abuse, by ontinually be hit, tackled, and be used as a cushion. Hence, much shorter careers. They tend to, by nature of the postition, get more money. So if they get lucky and last, they can be a burden on you cash. We are at that awkward stage with not one, but two RBs.

Ask yourself this question. If we can only have one RB which one would it be? The one who is the better natural runner, shiftier and quicker, and can take a screen to the house. Or the one who is more physical and can never seem to be 100%, who can get you positive yards and occasionally break one off, and is steady and strong in the screen game.

They way the game is played now. I would take the explosive player. And that is DWill. Renegotiate his deal. And if we can afford him, keep him.

Stewy is still a beast, but in this day and age I want playmakers/homerun threats carrying and catching the ball.


I will repeat it....in the 14 games against teams that weren't the worst defensive unit in NFL history.....his ypc was 3.3.

The NO games greatly masked how unimpressive he was this year. Those 2 games also caused his ypc to jump a full yard....and most of his TDs as well.


And to answer your question....if I am going to pay money....give me the young RB who fits what the coach ideally wants. That ain't Williams.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:03 PM

You just never know - Dwill may have his agent talking right now about renegotiating in a way that helps our cap and keeps him in Charlotte. Cam has had an effect on players - some guys just want to be here and are willing to work with the staff to find a way that they can stay.

Who knows, Dwill might be one of those guys that will do what he needs to in order to stay.


This is one of the things that has me excited about this offseason. Who can we keep, and how can we keep them? Who is willing to work with us to make this a better team? I really hope DWill is one of those guys. He has gottent he majority of his money. Maybe he is willing to renegotiate so he can remain a Panther?

I sure hope so. That would be just peachy.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

a lot of money to pay a scat back you simply try to get in open space...

....I guess my point is why cant anyone figure out how to get these backs to produce at thier max potential? I dont think Shula will figure it out but if he does we'll win next year....

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

I will repeat it....in the 14 games against teams that weren't the worst defensive unit in NFL history.....his ypc was 3.3.

The NO games greatly masked how unimpressive he was this year. Those 2 games also caused his ypc to jump a full yard....and most of his TDs as well.


And to answer your question....if I am going to pay money....give me the young RB who fits what the coach ideally wants. That ain't Williams.


Neither of our RBs ran well this year. So either they both need to go, or we need to fix what was wrong. We let Chud go, and will probably address the O-line. Both of those should help our RBs excel again next year. If so, and we can work out something with DWill to alow us to keep him. I will take DWill.

Stew is a fine back, but again, he is no homerun threat. You need homerun threats to compete.

And if you know what the coach ideally wants, you are in rarified air. Because we are in the dark as to what they want at this point. It could be either or both types. Who knows.

I want DWill, you want Stew. Only time will tell who is going to be happiest.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

Neither of our RBs ran well this year. So either they both need to go, or we need to fix what was wrong. We let Chud go, and will probably address the O-line. Both of those should help our RBs excel again next year. If so, and we can work out something with DWill to alow us to keep him. I will take DWill.

Stew is a fine back, but again, he is no homerun threat. You need homerun threats to compete.

And if you know what the coach ideally wants, you are in rarified air. Because we are in the dark as to what they want at this point. It could be either or both types. Who knows.

I want DWill, you want Stew. Only time will tell who is going to be happiest.


Stewart runs better behind a bad OL

Stewart can play through injury better

Stewart is younger

Rivera prefers a healthy Stewart over a healthy Williams. How do I know that? After Williams got his big deal Rivera played Stewart a larger percentage of offensive snaps than any RB in our division. The next year? He went ahead and benched Williams officially.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

Stewart runs better behind a bad OL

Stewart can play through injury better




Stewart is younger

Rivera prefers a healthy Stewart over a healthy Williams. How do I know that? After Williams got his big deal Rivera played Stewart a larger percentage of offensive snaps than any RB in our division. The next year? He went ahead and benched Williams officially.


And Rivera has made ALOT of decisions that were wrong. We will see if this is another one

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:22 PM

And Rivera has made ALOT of decisions that were wrong. We will see if this is another one


And a lot of his calls haven't been wrong.....he just didn't have the bodies on the field to pull off some pretty basic stuff.

a lot of the close games we have lost bc we lack talent to play complete games. IMO

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:19 AM

And a lot of his calls haven't been wrong.....he just didn't have the bodies on the field to pull off some pretty basic stuff.

a lot of the close games we have lost bc we lack talent to play complete games. IMO


And I would agree with that. I just think if he would have straightened Chud out earlier things could have gone differently. I think that both RB's were put in a hard spot to succeed this year with A)scheme B)limited carries to spread around and C) no oline push. It's unfair that Deangelo's getting crushed on here while Stewart;s getting a pass for doing less. I understand we need to fix the logjam Hurney created and either back's salary for the 5 to 12 carries a game their getting is ridiculous. But people ripping him like Nakamura is BS.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:04 AM

Why is everyone obsessing over a "home-run threat"...look at the seasons Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch just had. They were 2 of the top 3 HBs statistically in the NFL this year and they're power backs. I think Jonathan Stewart is very similar to Morris/Lynch, a power runner but with deceptive speed and shiftiness. We just need to shore up the o-line and play calling and I'm sure Stewart is gonna tear it up next season barring injury.