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#31 iamhubby1

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

I will repeat it....in the 14 games against teams that weren't the worst defensive unit in NFL history.....his ypc was 3.3.

The NO games greatly masked how unimpressive he was this year. Those 2 games also caused his ypc to jump a full yard....and most of his TDs as well.


And to answer your question....if I am going to pay money....give me the young RB who fits what the coach ideally wants. That ain't Williams.


Neither of our RBs ran well this year. So either they both need to go, or we need to fix what was wrong. We let Chud go, and will probably address the O-line. Both of those should help our RBs excel again next year. If so, and we can work out something with DWill to alow us to keep him. I will take DWill.

Stew is a fine back, but again, he is no homerun threat. You need homerun threats to compete.

And if you know what the coach ideally wants, you are in rarified air. Because we are in the dark as to what they want at this point. It could be either or both types. Who knows.

I want DWill, you want Stew. Only time will tell who is going to be happiest.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:25 PM

Neither of our RBs ran well this year. So either they both need to go, or we need to fix what was wrong. We let Chud go, and will probably address the O-line. Both of those should help our RBs excel again next year. If so, and we can work out something with DWill to alow us to keep him. I will take DWill.

Stew is a fine back, but again, he is no homerun threat. You need homerun threats to compete.

And if you know what the coach ideally wants, you are in rarified air. Because we are in the dark as to what they want at this point. It could be either or both types. Who knows.

I want DWill, you want Stew. Only time will tell who is going to be happiest.


Stewart runs better behind a bad OL

Stewart can play through injury better

Stewart is younger

Rivera prefers a healthy Stewart over a healthy Williams. How do I know that? After Williams got his big deal Rivera played Stewart a larger percentage of offensive snaps than any RB in our division. The next year? He went ahead and benched Williams officially.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

Stewart runs better behind a bad OL

Stewart can play through injury better




Stewart is younger

Rivera prefers a healthy Stewart over a healthy Williams. How do I know that? After Williams got his big deal Rivera played Stewart a larger percentage of offensive snaps than any RB in our division. The next year? He went ahead and benched Williams officially.


And Rivera has made ALOT of decisions that were wrong. We will see if this is another one

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:22 PM

And Rivera has made ALOT of decisions that were wrong. We will see if this is another one


And a lot of his calls haven't been wrong.....he just didn't have the bodies on the field to pull off some pretty basic stuff.

a lot of the close games we have lost bc we lack talent to play complete games. IMO

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:19 AM

And a lot of his calls haven't been wrong.....he just didn't have the bodies on the field to pull off some pretty basic stuff.

a lot of the close games we have lost bc we lack talent to play complete games. IMO


And I would agree with that. I just think if he would have straightened Chud out earlier things could have gone differently. I think that both RB's were put in a hard spot to succeed this year with A)scheme B)limited carries to spread around and C) no oline push. It's unfair that Deangelo's getting crushed on here while Stewart;s getting a pass for doing less. I understand we need to fix the logjam Hurney created and either back's salary for the 5 to 12 carries a game their getting is ridiculous. But people ripping him like Nakamura is BS.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:04 AM

Why is everyone obsessing over a "home-run threat"...look at the seasons Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch just had. They were 2 of the top 3 HBs statistically in the NFL this year and they're power backs. I think Jonathan Stewart is very similar to Morris/Lynch, a power runner but with deceptive speed and shiftiness. We just need to shore up the o-line and play calling and I'm sure Stewart is gonna tear it up next season barring injury.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:26 AM

Deangelo is gone guys. Stop kidding yourselves.


With the cap hit that cutting him would create, it is not a foregone conclusion that he is released.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:27 AM

Stewart runs better behind a bad OL

Stewart can play through injury better

Stewart is younger

Rivera prefers a healthy Stewart over a healthy Williams. How do I know that? After Williams got his big deal Rivera played Stewart a larger percentage of offensive snaps than any RB in our division. The next year? He went ahead and benched Williams officially.


And DeAngelo had a great end to the season behind that "bad" line....so your conclusions are inaccurate.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:00 AM

And DeAngelo had a great end to the season behind that "bad" line....so your conclusions are inaccurate.


Which specific ones do you find most inaccurate

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

Which specific ones do you find most inaccurate

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I would just say biased. You're saying that other teams are not going to want to sign DW(4.3 per carry) because if you take away his 2 best games he only averaged 3.3 yds per carry. At the same time Stewart averaged 3.6 and he is is the ideal back. If you take away Stewart's 2 best games(Saints,Skins) he only averaged 3.2 per carry, again less than DW who you say won't garner interest .

So that is obviously a biased statement to say Stew is an ideal back and Deangelo will have a hard time making a roster when using the same criteria for Stew shows he played worse than the guy you're slamming. The only way that is logical is your personal bias. Like I said I get the other points you are making about carries and cap hit.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:30 AM

Why is everyone obsessing over a "home-run threat"...look at the seasons Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch just had. They were 2 of the top 3 HBs statistically in the NFL this year and they're power backs. I think Jonathan Stewart is very similar to Morris/Lynch, a power runner but with deceptive speed and shiftiness. We just need to shore up the o-line and play calling and I'm sure Stewart is gonna tear it up next season barring injury.


Just what I was gonna say.


To me, it is very shortsighted and, frankly, "homeristic" to think that Stew should be cut as opposed to D-Will (if it comes down to it). Stewart is younger and stronger, arguably a better pass catcher, and is just beginning his prime. Both backs ave similar production and health history (but if you want to get technical, Stewart edges Williams on both counts). Why would you not go with the younger, stronger and cheaper back?

The Chargers kept Tomlinson when they should have kept the Burner, but they went all EMO, and their running game gradually lost its effectiveness and basically fell off a cliff comparatively (especially once nature and business took its course and Tomlinson was ultimately axed).

Everybody would like to keep D-Will, but business is business.

Lastly, Armond Smith is coming up.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:27 AM

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I would just say biased. You're saying that other teams are not going to want to sign DW(4.3 per carry) because if you take away his 2 best games he only averaged 3.3 yds per carry. At the same time Stewart averaged 3.6 and he is is the ideal back. If you take away Stewart's 2 best games(Saints,Skins) he only averaged 3.2 per carry, again less than DW who you say won't garner interest .

So that is obviously a biased statement to say Stew is an ideal back and Deangelo will have a hard time making a roster when using the same criteria for Stew shows he played worse than the guy you're slamming. The only way that is logical is your personal bias. Like I said I get the other points you are making about carries and cap hit.

I don't think you put a lot of stock in something when a guy does something against the worst D in NFL history. That isn't exactly cherry picking two good games and throwing them out.

Williams easily had his worst season in 2012. He couldn't make something out of nothing....which he could in his prime. Stewart can...he can help move the chains even when playing gimpy. Pile moves forward.

30 yr old expensive RBs with fat contracts simply aren't what teams want...in today's NFL that isn't going to attract someone to trade with.

Neither RB is ideal at this point. Both are expensive....one is one the backside of his career and doesn't fit a Cam offense ideally and the other seems to only be able to suit up at 80%.

Stewart simply makes the most sense to go forward. It isn't a Williams love hate thing. He just is a bad fit based on the scenario going forward.


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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:57 AM

I don't think you put a lot of stock in something when a guy does something against the worst D in NFL history. That isn't exactly cherry picking two good games and throwing them out.

Williams easily had his worst season in 2012. He couldn't make something out of nothing....which he could in his prime. Stewart can...he can help move the chains even when playing gimpy. Pile moves forward.

30 yr old expensive RBs with fat contracts simply aren't what teams want...in today's NFL that isn't going to attract someone to trade with.

Neither RB is ideal at this point. Both are expensive....one is one the backside of his career and doesn't fit a Cam offense ideally and the other seems to only be able to suit up at 80%.

Stewart simply makes the most sense to go forward. It isn't a Williams love hate thing. He just is a bad fit based on the scenario going forward.

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One of Stewart's games I threw out was his game against New Orleans. The other Washington. That's as close to even as you can get. And doing that his 3.6 became 3.2 yds.

Again I'm not arguing capwise that it makes sense, or that both RB's need more carries to really be effective. I was just taking exception with you saying that no other team is going to take Dwil. A 200+yd game is still that and the other big play tds he had show he has more left in the tank then Our offense showed. New Orleans also showed that he needs 15 to 25 touches. He wouldn't get that here.

Also the switching of him and Stew out every 2 snaps keeps either from getting into rhythm. I just think it's reasonable for me to say with a change of scenery to a team like Denver and DW can have a strong last couple years.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:03 AM

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One of Stewart's games I threw out was his game against New Orleans. The other Washington. That's as close to even as you can get. And doing that his 3.6 became 3.2 yds.

Again I'm not arguing capwise that it makes sense, or that both RB's need more carries to really be effective. I was just taking exception with you saying that no other team is going to take Dwil. A 200+yd game is still that and the other big play tds he had show he has more left in the tank then Our offense showed. New Orleans also showed that he needs 15 to 25 touches. He wouldn't get that here.

Also the switching of him and Stew out every 2 snaps keeps either from getting into rhythm. I just think it's reasonable for me to say with a change of scenery to a team like Denver and DW can have a strong last couple years.


Well if you just throw out the games against historically the worst D in the history of the sport.....Stewart had a slightly better ypc against the rest of the teams while gimpy.

No team is going to trade for Williams. If he is cut and a team can sign him to an appropriate deal then sure....someone would be interested. But as of right now, no team wants him as he currently sits.

Most games this year giving Williams that many touches would have just stalled the O. No holes. He needs them. He goes down too easy at contact.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 09:32 AM

Oh what a difference a year makes. Very knowledgeable fanbase (sarcasm)

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