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and where is it that journey will lead all of them who truly seek?

to the truth. truth can't be contained or hidden or locked away. at some point, whether casually or violently, we or it finds us.

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I actually want to revisit this because I don't see the logic behind your argument. How does it *not* make sense for man to invent a god that dictates some level of control over some of our more "base" instincts?

i will ask a question that adds something somebody posted earlier about the invention part, then i will get back to this.

for the inventinon of "god" and the purpose of social control. how many humans were around when "god" was first invented?

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It's not so much that I don't believe in god, well I don't that's not true, but its more that 99% of followers of any organized religion I've come across are hypocritical, and if there is a god, he is a twisted, twisted being. I also hate how when something unimaginably horrible happens, god had nothing to do with it, but then something good happens, and its like, oh thank god for that. I can't wrap my head around it.

what i don't understand is the idea that millions of people across history have prayed to god for help during starvation and genocide and murder and countless other human tragedy and been ignored, but if you pray before your math test you might get a good grade, or if you pray your football career will be blessed by way of touchdowns and championships, or if you got a raise at work it was totally GOD blessing you with money.

it's integral to modern forms of liturgy (worship) in establishment christian circles and i really don't think it makes any sense, even if you accept other facets of theism/christianity

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to the truth. truth can't be contained or hidden or locked away. at some point, whether casually or violently, we or it finds us.

what is the truth? be specific

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i will ask a question that adds something somebody posted earlier about the invention part, then i will get back to this.

for the inventinon of "god" and the purpose of social control. how many humans were around when "god" was first invented?

This seems irrelevant since a deity of one form or another was invented by multiple cultures throughout human history. Are you referring to a specific god here?

My assumptions are that deities began as a method to explain the natural world that was not understood. With that came reverence of those mythical figures to bring good fortune. If you are going to revere something, you need to have some guidance in how to do it, and thus, social control was born. But that is just me making assumptions.

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since many think man invented his own god, although it doesn't make sense he would make a god to tell him not to even lust after a woman, but i digress.

so if that potential is there for a human to invent their own truth, isn't it highly plausible that is what some here are doing? inventing the answers to the questions they don't know?

as i stated earlier. we all will get our fair shake at the how the cosmos play out. spend all the time and energy you want on figuring things out while on terra firma. just don't come up snake eyes at the worst possible time in your existence. all im saying.

So all religious laws are divine? Everywhere? Man would never willingly ( for whatever reason) constrain his most base nature? The dark ages would like a f*cking word.

We're all inventing answers to questions we don't know... Of course that's what we are doing, that's what we've always done...

As far as turning up snake-eyes... Well, it always comes down to threats doesn't ?

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Hey look a religion thread! I bet lots of opinions will be changed in here!

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Why would I invent a God who would want to limit my lusts? Money, sex, and many other areas to be put in a box? Why would I not invent one that gave me freedom in all areas?

Sadly, many who claim Christianity are very distant from the true meaning. Those, like Ray Lewis who think God is more for the Ravens than the other 31 teams are very passionate but their belief is about a quarter inch deep in its understanding. Same with those who pray about math tests and such.

Becoming a Christian, or Hindu or anything does not mean you instantly have all understanding. It is not conveyed upon you in an instant. Like your first day of school does not produce a masters.

Some here understand that, others use it for their arguments against God.

Agree with Pstall, the search is worth the effort.

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i will ask a question that adds something somebody posted earlier about the invention part, then i will get back to this.

for the inventinon of "god" and the purpose of social control. how many humans were around when "god" was first invented?

2+

People have been forcing other people to follow rules for as long as they have been around. All it takes to start a religion is one creative guy with a desire to be more important that everyone else

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If eternal damnation is the only crutch to err for semi-belief in a deity (which you will be eternally damned anyway) then it is only wasted energy. The whole existence of a "soul" has to be explored and when one dies how this "invisible you" transfers to the afterlife. Does it fly? Do you awake in a flower bed? Is there really a dude with a list? Are you really in fear or a red goat man with a farm tool?

From the early days of man Sun worship and astrology guided all beliefs of mans understanding of the world and is natural to "humanize a God/Sun/Nature. How would one not understand why an invention of God and the eventual use to control masses of expanding kingdoms is just being Matt Lower "glib"

Dont be Matt Lower glib.

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I look at it this way:

I would rather believe there is a God and live my life as such....and be wrong about it.

Rather than not believe there is a Hod and live my life as such....and be wrong.

First case....maybe I missed out on some pleasure and fun while floating around in this rock.

Second case....eternal damnation.

Just a thought.

Bit late to the party but I've always really, really disliked the whole "what if you're wrong" argument.

(Just for clarification, I'm an atheist) - I've always felt that if God were hypothetically real that one would be judged based on the merit and content of their character, not on what they believed in while they were alive. If one's belief system is the ultimate decider in damnation, and not their character, then I'd prefer to be damned. Any "God" that condemns someone to a life of torture over such a trivial thing is not a "God". The idea of damnation over who one believes in just seems utterly silly to me. If a President were to execute any who supported a different politician than him, would that be right? No, so why does God get a pass? It just seems ridiculous.

Something as personal as religious conviction, be you of a faith or of none at all, isn't as easy as "well, what if you're wrong..." What if you're wrong, and the ancient Greeks were right? The whole notion of being "wrong" is applicable to any religion/non religion. The only thing that separates me, an atheist, from you, a theist who I assume to be monotheistic (correct me if I'm wrong) is that I personally deny the existence of all Gods, whilst you deny the existence of all except one; the one of your particular belief system.

Religion always seemed to me to be the result of humans wanting to attribute anything they can't explain to the work of divinity.

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from the sounds of the thread. i'm not the one trying to convince anyone. i think some of you are trying to convince yourselves.

you can hate the what if you're wrong argument all you want, at some point, no matter your belief systems, socio-economic background, skin color, favorite James Bond or whatever, you WILL die. that might be the only thing that 100% of humanity agrees with.

after that. well.

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