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Mr. Scot

Rivera talks minority hiring and Cam Newton (Florio criticizes)

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Lol. Damn dude, you really hate you some whitey, huh? Hate on hater.

Just hate hypocrisy. Just hate the fact that it's 2013 instead of enjoying the sports with all it's great athletes we're still dealing with minority hiring issues. While other league like the NBA it's a 1980s issue for them. Just pathetic! And of course it's racist to point that out, right? How dare one claim caucasians as being racist! I'm just too proud and educated to be patient with their stupidity. Enough is enough!

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Scholars can believe all they want but genetically Ancient Egyptians had haplogroup E1b1a. Same as Cam Newton. Ramesses III specifically bare this marker along with the other Amarna Mummies like Tutankhaman. It's no more a subject of debate. Egyptology has evolved from opinion to now scientific base. No more wondering caucasians theories. Don't you love it!

Forgive me, but I think I will take the word of people who study this stuff for a living over yours. If you happen to be a genetic scientist, then I apologize.

One issue with your assertion is that the haplo group you mentioned is only one slice of the genetic pie and leaves a lot out. There are other factors besides paternal lineage. For all we know, Tut or Ramses grandma might have been Hittite or Greek or Persian or some other race as a arranged marriage from another king looking for trade considerations or an alliance.

And then of course, there is this article

The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor.

Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent, according to iGENEA.

Fwiw, Igenea doesn't publish its methodology and they make money selling dna results, so the article is somewhat dubious, but interesting nonetheless.

And as floppin alluded to, the family of the pharoah might not represent the population of ancient Egypt at large, so dna results from Tut or Ramses might not give us a good indication of the cultural makeup of ancient Egypt.

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Forgive me, but I think I will take the word of people who study this stuff for a living over yours. If you happen to be a genetic scientist, then I apologize.

One issue with your assertion is that the haplo group you mentioned is only one slice of the genetic pie and leaves a lot out. There are other factors besides paternal lineage. For all we know, Tut or Ramses grandma might have been Hittite or Greek or Persian or some other race as a arranged marriage from another king looking for trade considerations or an alliance.

And then of course, there is this article

Fwiw, Igenea doesn't publish its methodology and they make money selling dna results, so the article is somewhat dubious, but interesting nonetheless.

And as floppin alluded to, the family of the pharoah might not represent the population of ancient Egypt at large, so dna results from Tut or Ramses might not give us a good indication of the cultural makeup of ancient Egypt.

I was just talking in the grand scheme of things...We all came from Africa and spread elsewhere, which i thought related to skin color being a location thing so its just pointless. This is like the 10th time a thread has turned into an anthropological debate. I try to stay clear, but this kid was annoying me more for some reason. He is taking a militant position, which of course is beyond ridiculous going from what this thread was about, a coach talking about labeling Cam a "black" quarterback to the discusion of Tut and Ramses.

Just ignore this guy, nothing productive can come from it.

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I can't believe nobody has caught on to the fact that Blue Boy is KTs alt.

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Well isn't this fun. It's almost like you know what you're talking about, except that you don't.

The E1b1a haplogroup is a primarily eastern/western African group. While certain lineages from within Egypt most certainly fall into this grouping, it is by far NOT the norm - neither modernly or historically. The genetic mingling is most likely explained by Bantu or similar migrations and not a direct historical lineage context.

Saying that King Tut was of a certain haplogroup does not prove that Egypt genetically derives from said grouping. It's both ignorant of the facts and completely wrong. He, and his family, are outliers and not the standard for comparison.

Ramses was the last major Pharaoh of Egypt. He does NOT represent a historical context. You're retarded.

"The E1b1a haplogroup is a primarily eastern/western African group. While certain lineages from within Egypt most certainly fall into this grouping, it is by far NOT the norm - neither modernly or historically. The genetic mingling is most likely explained by Bantu or similar migrations and not a direct historical lineage context."

I don't know what you're trying to say in that one. I think you're arguing my point for me. Yes, E1b1a is mostly western Africans and it's not that prevalent in modern day Egypt. E1b1b is most prevalent in modern egypt & horn africa. The point is Ancient Egyptian originated from a western african lineage/ancestry/haplogroup(E1b1a) in which Cam Newton is a member of. That's what geneticist have just revealed. You can disagree with them but I doubt anyone would care.

Yes, that would be stupid of me to say since King Tut is of a certain haplogroup means Ancient Egypt genetically derives from said group. But I mentioned the Amarma Mummies which constitutes of as many as 13 different mummies who belong to the same grouping. Also, if your haplogroup is E1b1a at 90 percentile, it means you originated in western africa. You can find that haplogroup at less than or equal 50% outside africa as a result of admixture. Not many people on this planet belong 100% to one haplogroup. Western Europeans who are R1b for the most part peak at 80%.

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I can't believe nobody has caught on to the fact that Blue Boy is KTs alt.

is it?

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The point is Ancient Egyptian originated from a western african lineage/ancestry/haplogroup(E1b1a) That's what geneticist have just revealed. You can disagree with them but I doubt anyone would care.

No they don't, and no they haven't.

The truth is that Egypt was one of the first true "melting pot" societies. There has been no proven "original" ancestry to Egypt. Historically, Egyptians carry genetics from sub-Saharan, to Persian and everything in between. There was neolithic expansion in both the Middle East and Africa that worked to comprise "Egypt". I don't know what fuging studies you're reading but it's not based on any sort of fact.

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Ancient Egypt was dominated by "herding" societies, more so than agricultural societies. This allowed for a large amount of genetic drift. Hence the genetic co-mingling.

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oh we talking bout ancient eygpt now LOL FUNNIEST THREAD OF 2013. lol

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Forgive me, but I think I will take the word of people who study this stuff for a living over yours. If you happen to be a genetic scientist, then I apologize.

One issue with your assertion is that the haplo group you mentioned is only one slice of the genetic pie and leaves a lot out. There are other factors besides paternal lineage. For all we know, Tut or Ramses grandma might have been Hittite or Greek or Persian or some other race as a arranged marriage from another king looking for trade considerations or an alliance.

And then of course, there is this article

Fwiw, Igenea doesn't publish its methodology and they make money selling dna results, so the article is somewhat dubious, but interesting nonetheless.

And as floppin alluded to, the family of the pharoah might not represent the population of ancient Egypt at large, so dna results from Tut or Ramses might not give us a good indication of the cultural makeup of ancient Egypt.

lol. Well, unfortunately DNA testing that are based on screen shots don't have much validity. Fast forward to 2012:

http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

The str they use is from published work by Hawass himself. Head of egyptian antiquity. Was published by the British Medical Journal:

http://www.academia.edu/2308336/Revisiting_the_harem_conspiracy_and_death_of_Ramesses_III_anthropological_forensic_radiological_and_genetic_study

In conclusion, Ramesses belongs to haplogroup E1b1a and loving it.

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No they don't, and no they haven't.

The truth is that Egypt was one of the first true "melting pot" societies. There has been no proven "original" ancestry to Egypt. Historically, Egyptians carry genetics from sub-Saharan, to Persian and everything in between. There was neolithic expansion in both the Middle East and Africa that worked to comprise "Egypt". I don't know what fuging studies you're reading but it's not based on any sort of fact.

Well, DNA Tribes would disagree. Genetically the Amarma Mummies of Ancient Egypt and Ramesses III are of western african origin. Haplogroup E1b1a:

Ramesses results: http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf

Amarna Mummies results: http://www.dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2012-01-01.pdf

The rest of the search is on you. just google: "Ramesses III E1b1a"

The results came out just about 2 months ago. How those information affect you will tell what kind of a person you are. For a white supremacist that's the worst news thus they resort to denial. Whether they deny it or not, this is as real as it gets. Deal with it.

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