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#31 Rags

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

I do think S is a big need. I'm not sure the talent is there for us to draft one high this year. I'm warming to the idea of Vaccaro in the first but I'm still not convinced he's a good enough S to warrant a top 16 pick, when Safeties rarely go that high.


Vaccaro has a lot of buzz aroun him, some are saying top 5 (Doubt it) so the top 15 is a high spot for him, he is good, fast, intelligent saftey and would be a great playmaker for our secondary. In all honesty I like him more than I ever liked Barron.

Even Julio Jones didn't come in and make an immediate impact albeit he had some injuries now he is probably the best young WR in the game. Problem is we need immediate impact help, like Kuechly this year. Cam the year before.

I'm opposed going WR in the first round, Id have to say right now I'm on the Dee Milliner train if we stay at 14


Uh, who said Julio wasn't a huge impact for the team his rookie season? He WAS a paly maker the first foot he set on the field.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

Even Julio Jones didn't come in and make an immediate impact albeit he had some injuries now he is probably the best young WR in the game. Problem is we need immediate impact help, like Kuechly this year. Cam the year before.

I'm opposed going WR in the first round, Id have to say right now I'm on the Dee Milliner train if we stay at 14


I don't get it

We need immediate impact, but you're against WR 1st round

To me all of the oline probably will be gone by the time we pick, which is why I made this thread

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

I don't get it

We need immediate impact, but you're against WR 1st round

To me all of the oline probably will be gone by the time we pick, which is why I made this thread


What don't you get? The fact that the chance of a rookie WR making a significant impact is slim to none?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

It baffles me how people say o we can pick up a WR in the second or trade back get a 3rd round pick and use it to take a WR.

We are one Steve Smith injury/retirement away from being the worse offense in the league. We are suppose to depend on Lafell and AE? Keep thinking WR isn't a big need. The reason why the o line looked so bad is because the wrs can't get separation.

Sure Cam forced some throws but go back and watch and it was because nobody was open and he tried to make a play. Too many times Cam looks down the field and nobody is open because smitty has 3 people on him and Lafell can't beat single coverage.


It's a popular opinion (one that I share) that there's not much separating the top 7 or so WRs. So that's why many of us are all for getting a WR in the 2nd but not as ecstatic about one in the first. They all seem like late first/early second round picks and one or two of them are bound to be available when we pick in the 2nd. We can spend a 2nd and get a guy not much (if any) worse than who we coulda got in the 1st. Whatever happens to Smitty, whether we get Allen or Patterson in the 1st or wait til the 2nd to get a guy like Hunter, Hopkins, Rogers, Patton or Woods we'll be in the same situation.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:13 PM

And even if Smitty got injured or retired we'd be far from the worst offense in the league. As long as we have Cam we're just about guaranteed to be above the bottom 11. He still has Olsen to throw too, as well as the other middle of the road WRs, plus at least Stewart and Tolbert to run screens and dump offs to.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:14 PM

What don't you get? The fact that the chance of a rookie WR making a significant impact is slim to none?


Ah yes the ol "rookie WRs never make an impact." myth despite the fact that this myth has been busted several times the past few days,

My favorite.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:14 PM

Allen can take a fuging seat. Patterson come on down.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

Ah yes the ol "rookie WRs never make an impact." myth despite the fact that this myth has been busted several times the past few days,

My favorite.


How has it been busted several times the past few days?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:22 PM

What don't you get? The fact that the chance of a rookie WR making a significant impact is slim to none?

this is not the 80s. it has been proven that rookie WRs can come in and make a huge impact on a team.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:27 PM

How has it been busted several times the past few days?


Because several times I've posted rookie WR stats and shown they can make an impact.

maybe I should just make a thread on this or something

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

I don't get it

We need immediate impact, but you're against WR 1st round

To me all of the oline probably will be gone by the time we pick, which is why I made this thread


Apparently he thinks no WR can make an immediate impact because Julio Jone's didn't.

That statement is dumb on so many levels. He had 959 yards and 8 TD's in his rookie year. Thats as much TD'S as Steve Smith and Lafell had combined last year.

So Jones does prove a rookie like several have before can succeed and be an immediate impact.

Here's a mind blower for you. Keary Colbert had more TD's (5) in his rookie year than Smith or Lafell had last year. He also had more yards than Lafell has had in either of his first 2 seasons. Granted he steadily fell off over the next couple years but still he was a rookie receiver making an impact.

And gets even better when you consider Jake Delhomme was the QB, we had no run game because Davis and Foster got hurt forcing Nick Goings to become a starter at RB. Then our o-line was horrendous Right Tackle was held down by the worst starter in panthers history with Matt Willig(9 starts). our guards were a rookie Wharton,Tutan Reyes, Jeff Mitchell at center and a 2nd year Gross starting at LT for the first year playing on the left side rounded out our o-line.

Steve Smth was hurt all year in 04 so we had Moose and Rookie Colbert out there with Kris Mangum at TE,no running a game and a very bad offensive line. Jake Delhomme managed 3,886 yards and 29 TD's with only 15 picks.On top of all that Dan Henning was the offensive coordinator!

Aside from QB and LT, WR is probably the most important position on offense. These days you really need 2 of them and right now Smith is the 2nd oldest player on the team to Ron Edwards.

Lafell can immediately be penciled in as a solid # 3 which is good. However we need a TD scorer to help us get the most out of Smith in his final year(s) and be a future weapon for Cam.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

really warming up to kenny vaccaro. I ve been hearing hes moving into the top ten. I atleast hope we have the option of him being on the board when we pick



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

It's a popular opinion (one that I share) that there's not much separating the top 7 or so WRs. So that's why many of us are all for getting a WR in the 2nd but not as ecstatic about one in the first. They all seem like late first/early second round picks and one or two of them are bound to be available when we pick in the 2nd. We can spend a 2nd and get a guy not much (if any) worse than who we coulda got in the 1st. Whatever happens to Smitty, whether we get Allen or Patterson in the 1st or wait til the 2nd to get a guy like Hunter, Hopkins, Rogers, Patton or Woods we'll be in the same situation.


This type of thing is often what we are fed as fans by reading reviews, scouting reports,mock drafts and watching highlight tapes. Truth is of those top 7 WR's I'd say half never live up to the hype as happens every year at different positions the deep was supposedly deep at. Only way to reduce that risk is to take the 1 or 2 who separate themselves from the pack.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

C. Patterson

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

How has it been busted several times the past few days?


2012 Rookies
Blackmon 865 yards and 5 TD's -With Gabbert as his QB
TY Hilton 861 yards and 7 TD's
Josh Gordon 805 yards and 5 TD- With Weeden as his QB
Several more had over 500 yards and a varying TD receptions.

2011 Rookies
Julio Jones-posted earlier
AJ Green- 1057 yards with 7 TD's- from the ginger
Torrey Smith 841 yards and 7 TD's
Randall Cobb 300 yards, with a crowed receiving core.


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