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[url="http://fox2now.com/2013/02/18/teen-killed-in-attempt-burglary-was-suspect-in-knockout-game/"]http://fox2now.com/2013/02/18/teen-killed-in-attempt-burglary-was-suspect-in-knockout-game/[/url]

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ST. LOUIS, MO. (KTVI) – The teenager shot and killed by a homeowner while allegedly breaking into the man’s house had been in the news before. In fact, FOX2 has learned, he was once charged in the case that made the phrase “knockout game” common in St. Louis.
Demetrius Murphy, 15, died Friday morning after he and another teen, Michael Bryant, allegedly tried to break into a man’s home on Tennessee. Police say the homeowner emerged with a gun. Bryant ran, but they say Murphy confronted him and was shot and killed.
When it happened, the ears of Matt Quain perked up. It was back in 2011 that Quain and a friend were walking along Grand, returning from a “beer run” to Schnucks, when they say a group of teens jumped them. Quain was beaten badly, suffering neck injuries and a broken jaw. He was discovered bleeding in the street by Mayor Francis Slay and his security guard.
Murphy, just thirteen at the time, was the one identified by Quain as his attacker. Sources tell Fox 2 that Murphy was headed to trial in the “knockout game” case, but a young witness suddenly refused to testify, forcing the charges to be dropped.[/quote]

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tragic

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The Homeowner did the right thing, but killing a person (even a young person who is clearly a threat to society) is never an easy thing to deal with. Unless the homeowner is a little Psycho himself, he will likely suffer a great deal of guilt over this.

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Life is a precious thing and taking someone's should never be taken lightly. That being said...St Louis is probably a safer place with that douchebag no longer around.

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Life is precious to g5.

White life, at least.
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Well if he had not been breaking in to anther mans home he would still be alive.... ^

Legally he forfeited his right to live when he did so.

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[quote name='SuperMan' timestamp='1361312675' post='2138758']
Legally he forfeited his right to live when he did so.
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Umm....no.

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1361313041' post='2138766']

Umm....no.
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Was the homeowner charged? Nope?


Thought so.

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I dont think he's the real superman.

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One thing the Tinderbox has really driven home for me: Moral superiority is easier when you're a bag of hammers.

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[quote name='SuperMan' timestamp='1361313161' post='2138768']


Was the homeowner charged? Nope?


Thought so.
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Just because he was shot and killed and the shooter wasn't charged, does not mean that he "legally forfeited his right to live". Surely you understand why?

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[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1361313334' post='2138774']
Just because he was shot and killed and the shooter wasn't charged, does not mean that he "legally forfeited his right to live". Surely you understand why?
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Actions have consequences if this kid had been at home in bed were he should have been he would be alive.....


I blame his parents he was clearly lacked any kind of upbringing and was on the wrong path prior to this.

I should also note that the Castle doctrine that is the law in this state allows home owners to use deadly force to defend there home and property by atemping to break in the house he allowed himself to be subject to the repercussions.

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[quote name='SuperMan' timestamp='1361313832' post='2138786']

I should also note that the Castle doctrine that is the law in this state allows home owners to use deadly force to defend there home and property by atemping to break in the house he allowed himself to be subject to the repercussions.
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Exhibit A

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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1361295887' post='2138492']
tragic[/quote]

Always is when someone this young dies.

But let's be real. This guy put himself in this situation. He was killed in the process of willfully committing a felony as well as potentially a violent crime (something which he had a history of).

He's not exactly an innocent victim.

[quote name='Floppin' timestamp='1361313334' post='2138774']
Just because he was shot and killed and the shooter wasn't charged, does not mean that he "legally forfeited his right to live". Surely you understand why?
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I wouldn't frame it as "forfeiting the right to live" but he did indeed knowingly and willingly put himself into a situation that endangered his life; and yeah, that's his own fault.

Per the story, under Missouri law his accomplice will actually be the one charged with murder.

[quote]Missouri law states that when someone dies in the commission of a felony, any accomplice can be charged with that person’s murder.[/quote]

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Sorry, that's a ridiculous law.

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[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1361315385' post='2138817']
Sorry, that's a ridiculous law.
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How so?

Its called a deterrent to make you think twice before knowingly committing a felonious act.

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1361314488' post='2138796']
Always is when someone this young dies.

But let's be real. This guy put himself in this situation. He was killed in the process of willfully committing a felony as well as potentially a violent crime (something which he had a history of).

He's not exactly an innocent victim.[/quote]

of course he's not innocent. i don't blame the homeowner for taking action either, simply because i wasn't in his shoes and don't know what he saw, what was going to happen. i can't judge what he did because i'm not sure how i'd react if someone broke into my home with the infant daughter i'll have in three months. i do know i'd not hesitate to end a life IF it were clearly down to my family's versus the intruder's.

however, a bit of wisdom has tempered my desire to jump on forums and go "karma lol" and "haha wat a doosh, totes deserved it" and other such flippancy. i've realized that it's pure chance that it wasn't me born into a family that didn't give a poo, and that regardless of the agency of a person's will - their power to make their own conscious decisions - they've been set down that path from a young age by forces far beyond their power or reckoning. that dead kid could just as easily be me, but for a lucky draw in the lottery of birth.

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[quote name='SuperMan' timestamp='1361316572' post='2138841']

How so?

Its called a deterrent to make you think twice before knowingly committing a felonious act.
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I don't care what its intent is... It's unjust.

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[quote name='PhillyB' timestamp='1361316669' post='2138843']
however, a bit of wisdom has tempered my desire to jump on forums and go "karma lol" and "haha wat a doosh, totes deserved it" and other such flippancy. i've realized that it's pure chance that it wasn't me born into a family that didn't give a poo, and that regardless of the agency of a person's will - their power to make their own conscious decisions - they've been set down that path from a young age by forces far beyond their power or reckoning. that dead kid could just as easily be me, but for a lucky draw in the lottery of birth.[/quote]

I agree we shouldn't be flippant over someone's death.

I disagree with the notion that this kid - or anyone else - is automatically doomed to a certain fate just because they're born into a bad situation.

Plenty of people born into bad situations manage to make better lives (look to the NFL for a load of such stories). And likewise, loads of people born with every opportunity and privilege manage to throw their lives into the toilet.

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[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1361317068' post='2138849']

I don't care what its intent is... It's unjust.
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Sure it is... *Sarcasm*

By state laws and the definition of Justice it is.

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Sure it is... *Sarcasm*

By state laws and the definition of Justice it is.
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You're right, we should totally be able to arbitrarily and punitively assign murder charges to people who didn't commit murder... That's totally just.

He didn't kill the guy. He shouldn't be charged for murder. We don't do that bullshiat in this country.

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[quote name='Mr. Scot' timestamp='1361317222' post='2138850']
I agree we shouldn't be flippant over someone's death.

I disagree with the notion that this kid - or anyone else - is automatically doomed to a certain fate just because they're born into a bad situation.

Plenty of people born into bad situations manage to make better lives (look to the NFL for a load of such stories). And likewise, loads of people born with every opportunity and privilege manage to throw their lives into the toilet.
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not automatically, but very, very, very heavily likely.

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[quote name='mmmbeans' timestamp='1361317463' post='2138858']

You're right, we should totally be able to arbitrarily and punitively assign murder charges to people who didn't commit murder... That's totally just.

He didn't kill the guy. He shouldn't be charged for murder. We don't do that bullshiat in this country.
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Guilt by association.


I double checked just to be sure and yes we do that in this country.

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You're right, we should totally be able to arbitrarily and punitively assign murder charges to people who didn't commit murder... That's totally just.

He didn't kill the guy. He shouldn't be charged for murder. We don't do that bullshiat in this country.
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People have been put to death for that in Texas.

Not to worry though- they were neither rich nor white.

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[quote name='Delhommey' timestamp='1361319181' post='2138877']


People have been put to death for that in Texas.

Not to worry though- they were neither rich nor white.
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Thank goodness!

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