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"Knock out" teen shot breaking/entering

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People have been put to death for that in Texas.

Not to worry though- they were neither rich nor white.

Thank goodness!

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Guilt by association.

I double checked just to be sure and yes we do that in this country.

I know the excuses... Still unjust.

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You can be born into bad situations and still know it's wrong to hit innocent victims in the face with a brick and destroy their jaw.

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Or you could see that given the right circumstances this kid could easily be breaking innocent brown people's jaws for America.

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I agree we shouldn't be flippant over someone's death.

I disagree with the notion that this kid - or anyone else - is automatically doomed to a certain fate just because they're born into a bad situation.

Plenty of people born into bad situations manage to make better lives (look to the NFL for a load of such stories). And likewise, loads of people born with every opportunity and privilege manage to throw their lives into the toilet.

Not sure plenty is an accurate description. They are an exception to the rule.

Why didn't you or I play in the NFL? Certainly we would be better for it....did we not want it badly enough?

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I know the excuses... Still unjust.

I don't know if I agree that the law itself is unjust. I don't think it serves justice in this case, but there are certainly cases where it might. For example, I know of a case in which a man coerced his younger and stupider girlfriend to go pick up some coke he wanted to buy. His thinking was that she would take the risk. Had she been killed buying the coke, I think a murder charge for him would have been the right thing to do.

In this case though, I doubt the one that ran away coerced the other one into anything.

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Is it just murder this applies?

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You can be born into bad situations and still know it's wrong to hit innocent victims in the face with a brick and destroy their jaw.

you're taking for granted the idea that the individual in question has been taught that it's wrong AND that the wrongness of it outweighs what personal good may be gained from acting like an asshole

if you believe in the doctrine of total depravity (which you do) then you should be the first one in line to back this point up

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This didn't take place in a 3rd world country...despite your attempts of giving the kid the benefit of the doubt.

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you're taking for granted the idea that the individual in question has been taught that it's wrong AND that the wrongness of it outweighs what personal good may be gained from acting like an asshole

if you believe in the doctrine of total depravity (which you do) then you should be the first one in line to back this point up

I know you're not trying to justify his actions, but it's a pretty big stretch to think nobody ever told him that beating people up and breaking into other people's homes was wrong.

Not like this kid hadn't been arrested before.

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I know you're not trying to justify his actions, but it's a pretty big stretch to think nobody ever told him that beating people up and breaking into other people's homes was wrong.

Not like this kid hadn't been arrested before.

do you think it's a mere coincidence that the majority of juvenile delinquents involved in violent crime come from the lowest socio-economic statuses and the worst home situations?

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do you think it's a mere coincidence that the majority of juvenile delinquents involved in violent crime come from the lowest socio-economic statuses and the worst home situations?

Violent people coming from poor family situations doesn't surprise me. I don't necessarily assume people are more likely to become criminals if they start out poor, though. Nor do I assume that someone being poor equates to bad parenting. There are a load of rich kids with every advantage who I wouldn't give a bucket of spit for.

Now, if the time comes that I see someone breaking into my house, threatening me or someone that I care about or whatever, I'm not gonna ask (or care) about their upbringing or their moral education, and I doubt you would either.

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