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Well you had a bad experience with some dumb kids on a church bus, I can see how that would sour your opinion toward inner city kids as a whole. How many hours have you spent actually counseling black youth in the inner city? How many hours have you taught them? How much ACTUAL experience do you have with poor people that you didn't feel coerced into doing because Jesus said? I know they're stinky and gross and have poor juice on them, but they're still people.

Seeing as how I've actually taught in Charlotte and Durham for several years now, let me tell you how it ACTUALLY is minus dumb, anecdotal tripe.

Kids from the ghetto aren't stupid. They realize they're poor and they realize education is the path out of poverty. So you generally have two types of kids in your class.

1. The ones who are striving with everything they have to make a better life for themselves.

2. The ones who were in group 1, but due to some combination of personal and family problems had run ins with the law or in some way, shape, or form have given up on ever achieving their goals. You rarely have kids who are just completely out of it, unless they grew up with older siblings and watched them try and fail.

You see Mr Scot, the only thing more unemployable than a poor black kid is a poor black kid with a criminal record. Because then lily white America actually has a reason for not employing them besides being poor and black.

So you have good, well-meaning kids who are genuinely trying to help bring themselves and their families up through education. But again, they're poor. And they're black. Not a good combination. Because if the rent's due in a week and you know you don't have the money, you don't get the extensions from the landlord that white families would. You don't get backroom deals that white families would. You pay, or you get the fug out.

So you turn to more illicit means of income. Because no one's going to hire you for the reasons I mentioned above (read the posts of staunch conservatives in this thread if you don't believe me.) You get caught. You're fuged. Take how hard it would be for you or I to get a job with a conviction on record and multiply it by 100 for these kids. Can you blame them for giving up on ever having a legitimate career? These are 15 year old kids and they already have a criminal record. They don't consider how long they have left to fix their mistakes. For them, this is the end, it's over.

But go ahead and let your church bus routes color your perspective on inner city youth as a whole, it's not completely retarded or anything.

So Would you rather admit to purposely mischaracterizing what I wrote or would you rather cop to awful reading comprehension skills?

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Yeah I misread and thought you said you got more aggravation out of the first two groups. My overall point still stands though, because my original post was quoting your assertion that people aren't doomed because they're born into a certain socio-economic bracket; bootstraps et all.

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Life is precious to g5.

White life, at least.

One thing the Tinderbox has really driven home for me: Moral superiority is easier when you're a bag of hammers.

Exhibit A

Or you could see that given the right circumstances this kid could easily be breaking innocent brown people's jaws for America.

Poor people are poor cause they want to be. Rich people are rich due to their superior work ethic.

You're trying so hard here but no one gives a shyt,

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Yeah I misread and thought you said you got more aggravation out of the first two groups. My overall point still stands though, because my original post was quoting your assertion that people aren't doomed because they're born into a certain socio-economic bracket; bootstraps et all.

Where I grew up wasn't urban. But poor? Very, and rampant teen pregnancy.

The overall makeup: Plenty of good people, plenty of bad. Had classmates whose whole life goal was to sign up for welfare because that was all their parents had done. Others had the drive and desire needed to make something of themselves, and did.

Privilege is no more a guarantee of good character than poverty is a guarantee of bad. I'd say I've met as many "advantaged" kids as disadvantaged who I found to be questionable. Maybe more (didn't exactly keep count).

Bottom line: I'm not willing to buy that somebody's automatically doomed because of where or to whom they're born. Does it make the road tougher? Sure, but plenty of people with "the easy road" wind up wasting their lives while others from tougher backgrounds succeed.

In my experience, the character of the parents is a far better predictor of the kids' future than their economic status or their setting, but even that's far from foolproof.

But like I said, if they're breaking into my house or about to harm someone I care about, I don't care what color they are, what language they primarily speak, what their politics are, where they went to Sunday School, how much money their family had, or anything else.

Honestly, about the only thing I care about at that point is how they respond to the phrase "stop or I'll shoot."

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When I see numerous examples of black kids out working and putting far more effort into bettering themselves than white kids FROM THE SAME ECONOMIC class and watch the black kids fail while the white kids succeed despite minimal effort, something is wrong with the system. And no amount of platitudes centered around hard work will fix it, because hard work isn't the problem in an overwhelming majority of cases. They only thing I would side with you on is that you have no excuses for succeeding in life regardless of where you born as long as you're a white dude.

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In my experience, the character of the parents is a far better predictor of the kids' future than their economic status or their setting, but even that's far from foolproof.

This is true, but you aren't bothering to ask yourself WHY, for example, the parents don't care about their kid's education or future. How many parents went through the same type of scenarios I just wallposted about and gave up on their future and their kids? Not saying it's right, but to some extent they're justified in believing the system wont ever take its boot off of their neck. To them, helping their kids is just getting their hopes up only to have them dashed like theirs were when they were kids. Whenever I talk to these parents about lack of involvement in their child's education, it's something along this same, general premise. And it's disheartening, but not unexpected.

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Can tell you this much. My workplace is probably better than 50% black (might go as high as 75%, don't know) and mostly urban. And that's as true in management as it is in the work force.

There are hard workers, there are ass kissers, there are slackers, overachievers, complainers, optimists, backstabbers and people with whom I'd entrust my life.

And I couldn't name a single one of those characteristics with a correlative tie to race or background.

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This is true, but you aren't bothering to ask yourself WHY, for example, the parents don't care about their kid's education or future. How many parents went through the same type of scenarios I just wallposted about and gave up on their future and their kids? Not saying it's right, but to some extent they're justified in believing the system wont ever take its boot off of their neck. To them, helping their kids is just getting their hopes up only to have them dashed like theirs were when they were kids. Whenever I talk to these parents about lack of involvement in their child's education, it's something along this same, general premise. And it's disheartening, but not unexpected.

I don't really care why.

Urban, redneck, big city, small town or whatever; if you're just gonna declare yourself a victim and teach your kids that all the cards are stacked against them and they have no chance no matter what they do, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, your kids will fail, and it'll be largely your fault.

Tell them instead that whatever obstacles they face can be conquered, they still could fail for any number of reasons but at least you taught them to work rather than whine.

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black kid getting shot to death over property makes g5 harder than a diamond in an ice storm

oh and yeah i'm sure if this kid had been born to a rich white family his life would have followed the same trajectory because blah blah hard work blah blah bootstraps blah blah "urban youth" blah blah personal responsibility

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I don't really care why.

Urban, redneck, big city, small town or whatever; if you're just gonna declare yourself a victim and teach your kids that all the cards are stacked against them and they have no chance no matter what they do, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yes, your kids will fail, and it'll be largely your fault.

Tell them instead that whatever obstacles they face can be conquered, they still could fail for any number of reasons but at least you taught them to work rather than whine.

this is a really dumb post. here's part of the reason why:

-- Black youth with no prior admissions were six times more likely (and Latino youth were three times more likely) to be incarcerated in public facilities than white youth with no prior admissions when charged with the same offense.

http://www.isreview.org/issues/12/color_of_justice.shtml

you see black youth were six times more likely to be incarcerated than white youth when charged with the same crime because their parents taught them to be victims

Even in neighborhoods that are predominantly white, black and Latino New Yorkers face the disproportionate brunt. For example, in 2011, Black and Latino New Yorkers made up 24 percent of the population in Park Slope, but 79 percent of stops. This, on its face, is discriminatory.

http://www.nyclu.org/node/1598

Blacks and Latinos were nine times as likely as whites to be stopped by the police in New York City in 2009, but, once stopped, were no more likely to be arrested.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/nyregion/13frisk.html

ugh those damn parents teaching their kids to be victims basically forces the police to brazenly profile them

Two-thirds of those arrested for drug violations in 2006 were white and 33 percent were black, although blacks made up 12.8 percent of the population, F.B.I. data show.

Her report cites federal data from 2003, the most recent available on this aspect, indicating that blacks constituted 53.5 percent of all who entered prison for a drug conviction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/06/us/06disparities.html?adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1324587938-JA8OosWAi53x7QaNx/pGoA

black people make up ~1/3 of drug arrests, yet only ~18% of the population, but those damned parents taught them to be victims so juries just have to convict them twice as much as white people who have been charged with the exact same crimes

ugh THOSE PARENTS don't they know that they can just tell their kids to be professional athletes and make millions for themselves and billions for their slaveow- er, "owners"

The results of these studies were startling. Among those with no criminal record, white applicants were more than twice as likely to receive a callback relative to equally qualified black applicants. Even more troubling, whites with a felony conviction fared just as well, if not better, than a black applicant with a clean background.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/09/study-black-man-and-white-felon-same-chances-for-hire/

you see they've been taught to be victims their whole lives and that's why they are repeatedly victimized. if they would just stop expecting to be victimized, surely employers will start hiring degree-holding black people over white felons

what you're doing is called "victim blaming", with a heaping bunch of "pulling poo out of your ass." stop posting about things you don't understand.

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