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WR's drafted by the Panthers since 2002 - the case to draft a WR in round 1?


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#16 koolkatluke

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

To be honest it maybe a little to early to make a judgement on some of these guys. The normal adjustment period for WR is 3 years. Unless your talking about a Fitz, Megaton, Moss type.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

Ricky Proehl was solid.



Sure was, for someone that wasn't drafted by us.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

To be honest it maybe a little to early to make a judgement on some of these guys. The normal adjustment period for WR is 3 years. Unless your talking about a Fitz, Megaton, Moss type.


I think Lafell is a fine second receiver. I can understand the case some might be making for a new #1 though.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

I think Lafell is a fine second receiver. I can understand the case some might be making for a new #1 though.


I totally understand to. I don't see a future number 1 WR potential on this roster other then maybe Gettis and Bryant if they can get there poo together. But no there is no true replacement for 89 on this roster.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

Just so everyone knows, WR rarely make an impact in year 1. You can count on one hand the number of WRs that put up over a 1,000 yards receiving their 1st year. I'm not saying don't draft a WR early, but I wouldn't reach for someone just bc we need a Smitty replacement.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

if we keep improving like we hope we do we really wont be in draft position to draft a sure #1 megatron/julio jones type receiver, those are top 10 picks or greater. This may be our best chance to get on close to unless we go 2-14 again

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

if we keep improving like we hope we do we really wont be in draft position to draft a sure #1 megatron/julio jones type receiver, those are top 10 picks or greater. This may be our best chance to get on close to unless we go 2-14 again


Well 2-14 could have happened this year...so...

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

Just so everyone knows, WR rarely make an impact in year 1. You can count on one hand the number of WRs that put up over a 1,000 yards receiving their 1st year. I'm not saying don't draft a WR early, but I wouldn't reach for someone just bc we need a Smitty replacement.


This may be the worst argument I have heard for not drafting a receiver early..

2012- only 19 of 206 NFL Receivers to play last year league wide had 1k or more yards.

Netting less than 1k yards does not = non immediate impact in year 1.

Going by that logic all of these guys would have been a wasted pick because they did not have 1k yards their rookie years.(These guys were top 5 in receiving yards last year)

Calvin Johnson
Julio Jones
Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Demaryius Thomas
Vincent Jackson

The list could run much deeper than that but I figured last years top 5 should suffice.

And whats more rare 1st receiver drafted early having success or a receiver drafted late having success?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

This may be the worst argument I have heard for not drafting a receiver early..

2012- only 19 of 206 NFL Receivers to play last year league wide had 1k or more yards.

Netting less than 1k yards does not = non immediate impact in year 1.

Going by that logic all of these guys would have been a wasted pick because they did not have 1k yards their rookie years.(These guys were top 5 in receiving yards last year)

Calvin Johnson
Julio Jones
Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Demaryius Thomas
Vincent Jackson

The list could run much deeper than that but I figured last years top 5 should suffice.

And whats more rare 1st receiver drafted early having success or a receiver drafted late having success?

agreed, and i'm not buying that 3 year break out stuff either. more players with 1000 yard seasons got their first one in year two than in year three and there's not a whole lot of seperation between the number of year three guys getting 1000 yards vs. year one guys...esp. now when the pro game is passing as much as the college game and more is required of the WRs coming out early, just like with the QBs, and more is coming from them earlier as well.

WRs coming into the game are more prepared for the pass heavy nature of the pro game than really there has been in a long time.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

agreed, and i'm not buying that 3 year break out stuff either. more players with 1000 yard seasons got their first one in year two than in year three and there's not a whole lot of seperation between the number of year three guys getting 1000 yards vs. year one guys...esp. now when the pro game is passing as much as the college game and more is required of the WRs coming out early, just like with the QBs, and more is coming from them earlier as well.

WRs coming into the game are more prepared for the pass heavy nature of the pro game than really there has been in a long time.


So your love for WR makes you ignore the facts. Ok

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

So your love for WR makes you ignore the facts. Ok

facts? what facts are you talking about?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

facts? what facts are you talking about?


It a statiscal fact that there is a 3 year adjustment period for WR. Plain and Simple just using the 1st 2 rounds of Wr's drafted in the last 10 years. It takes time for them to reach their full potential. So lets not make a judgement on all the guys on the roster just yet.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

It a statiscal fact that there is a 3 year adjustment period for WR. Plain and Simple just using the 1st 2 rounds of Wr's drafted in the last 10 years. It takes time for them to reach their full potential. So lets not make a judgement on all the guys on the roster just yet.

prove it.

prove that there is a significant difference between year one, two, and three.

look at the number of active WRs that have hit 1000 yards and see when they hit it the first time. more hit it in year two than in year three.

i'll throw this out there: http://www.thebiglea...-breakout-myth/

i'll also throw out what smitty said:

Carolina receiver Steve Smith told me even though he had his first dominant season in his third year, he said that's because it was the first year he got to play offense after spending two seasons on special teams. He said it had nothing to do with his service time in the league.

"People are looking for a reason or looking to cling on to something," Smith said. "I think that's a myth. If you have a good player and a baller there, that's going to happen, no matter what year it is."


guys do improve as time goes on, but i'm looking forward to showing the significant difference between guys who make an impact in their first three years.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:34 PM

It a statiscal fact that there is a 3 year adjustment period for WR. Plain and Simple just using the 1st 2 rounds of Wr's drafted in the last 10 years. It takes time for them to reach their full potential. So lets not make a judgement on all the guys on the roster just yet.


Then why the hell were you arguing that you didn't want Patterson because it would take him 2 years to adjust?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:35 PM

prove it.

prove that there is a significant difference between year one, two, and three.

look at the number of active WRs that have hit 1000 yards and see when they hit it the first time. more hit it in year two than in year three.

i'll throw this out there: http://www.thebiglea...-breakout-myth/

i'll also throw out what smitty said:


guys do improve as time goes on, but i'm looking forward to showing the significant difference between guys who make an impact in their first three years.


Man FU I'm at work I'm not going back 10 years looking all that up. 3 examples Roddy White, Robert Mechem and Greg Jennings. And I'm not taking a shot at your Love child Patterson with this. I'm just saying lets not make a judgement on our young wr until after 3 years.


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