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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:11 PM

I think with Cam's ability to run, any RB would do a good enough job. Especially if we get a couple big time receivers in exchange together with a stout OL. Cam will give you at least 600 yards, any average RB will give you about 800. The FB will also rake in about 500. That's a good running team right there.

I think with big QBs like Kaepernick and Cam their best assets would be a WR duo like Julio Jones and Roddy White. Not two RBs. Because there isn't enough carries to go around.

So, I say get rid of both RBs(save a lot of money) and get 1 or 2 big time WRs in return. And pick up a good enough RB in the later round of the draft. And build a stout OL, now the offense can spread them out with those 2 WRs(with smith as #3, lafell #4), Cam and the cheap RB we get could gash them in the middle: SUPERBOWL.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

Personally I've never understood our fixation on RBs, especially the ridiculous contracts. I've always assumed it was common knowledge that you first build a great line and then you can take an average/good back and make him look truly special. But what do we dumb fans know? I guess we should always defer to the geniuses running things(according to the way many of the huddlers talk)- they must know more than we do right?

Exactly. Why stack on RBs when you have a QB that can run. Not enough carries to go around. Plus, both RBs aren't on the field at the same time thus they're not providing double the contribution. We should start stacking on WRs on the offensive side. Because you can spread a team with 5 receiver set. An aging 5'8 guy as your #1 is not gonna cut it. I don't know how much intelligence is required for a coach to get that. I guess dumb jocks will always be dumb jocks.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

to be fair jerry thought cam would take alot of time to develop so they locked up those runnng backs to take pressure off him

not knowing he would have one the greatest rookie seasons by a qb.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

Wow that was stupid. Lets get rid of both our RB and start over really?

Well, if you think about it what playoffs team had two starting RBs? Only 1 RB is on the field at one time. You really never get double the production. You think if minnesota had 2 Adrian Peterson they would have racked up 4000 yards? No. We have to get rid of at least one. An aging 5'8 WR as our #1 is kind of sad. We spend 120m like any other team. Why can't we have a true #1 WR too. No team have the financially luxury to have a security blanket just in case of injury. Every good playoffs team does the same thing. They put their best 11 players on the field and not worry to much about injury.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

To me the video didn't get absurd until he started talking about Cam...thats when I stopped it. He acted like Cam had a "slump" last year. I guess he only looked at the stats bc I thought Cam played extremely well in the last month or more of the season. Almost as well as any quarterback in the league. I think a lot of times we see a QB with immense talent and we forget that the mental aspect of the game has to catch up to that talent. Brees, Rodgers, Brady, even the Mannings took time to develop...it didn't happen overnight. If Cam was winning I don't even think this would be an issue. He'd be hailed as the next big thing, the national media would be slobbering over him and so forth. If there is anything the Panthers can do to help Cam's progression it would be to start winning games, and that starts with the coaches and goes all the way down to the kicker. If we keep losing its going to stunt his growth. Don't believe me? Look at Russell Wilson's progress and confidence as their season went on last year...and he didn't even have to do that much. Cam has to carry this team on his back sometimes. On the other side of the spectrum look at Matt Stafford, he has tons of talent and potential but bc of their record he's not even seen as a top 10 QB.

Matt Stafford has a ton of talent? Let me guess, throw the ball up to Calvin Johnson. I didn't know that was a skill. Oh, you mean a ton of talent around him? Ok. My bad!

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

Well, if you think about it what playoffs team had two starting RBs? Only 1 RB is on the field at one time. You really never get double the production. You think if minnesota had 2 Adrian Peterson they would have racked up 4000 yards? No. We have to get rid of at least one. An aging 5'8 WR as our #1 is kind of sad. We spend 120m like any other team. Why can't we have a true #1 WR too. No team have the financially luxury to have a security blanket just in case of injury. Every good playoffs team does the same thing. They put their best 11 players on the field and not worry to much about injury.


We didn't have 2 starting running backs for much of the season. Go back and tell me how many times since 2008 have both Stewart and Williams been healthy for 16 games. Then tell me how we could possibly afford 25 million in dead cap space.

By the way what happened to Minnesota in 2011 when Peterson went down with an ACL injury?? We actually don't have to get rid of one this year. We would be better off restructuring Williams this year and deferring the majority of the cap hit until 2015 when the TV contract will make the cap go up substantially. That way you have some dead cap money in 2014 and the majority in 2015. That beats the hell out of cutting him now when we are way over the cap already and we have other more pressing positions to fill. We can get under the cap restructuring him and a few other guys and cutting Gamble and a few others like Nakamura.

I understand the whole we shouldn't have paid them so much but that is trying to close the barn door after the horse is long gone. This year as it stands now it is better to keep both and restructure them than it is to incur a big cap hit unless we can't restructure Williams.
Deferring costs down the road is not a great way to go normally but when there will be significant cap relief in 2015, it makes sense this time.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

No you don't want to restructure both because that's likely just going to compound problems long term. You keep one, which is most feasibly going to be Stewart at this point, and you let the other go.

How is everyone fine with cutting gamble loose but the minute someone mentions Williams being gone it's like omg who's going to replace our 700 yard rusher

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

Personally I've never understood our fixation on RBs, especially the ridiculous contracts. I've always assumed it was common knowledge that you first build a great line and then you can take an average/good back and make him look truly special. But what do we dumb fans know? I guess we should always defer to the geniuses running things(according to the way many of the huddlers talk)- they must know more than we do right?


It goes back to being depleted at the running back position in 2004 and 2005 and the erroneous sentiment that it's the only reason we weren't successful those years led us to embark on a frivolous endeavor to have 18 starting caliber running backs so we'd never have to go through that again

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

Florio did not say he believed we could cut Stew this year because of the cap impact but what he said was that we paid too much for both rb's and we need to right size their contracts or get rid of them as soon as it makes sense.It makes sense cutting Dwill this year .



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