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Ideally which position do you want filled in the 1st round?

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OL is important to me, but the bar isn't really set very high there. i don't care about getting a probowler or all pro or elite talent of some kind.

all i want are guys that aren't liabilities. guys that don't get pushed around or get abused. guys that don't get many false starts or holding calls. guys that can just buy cam a little time and open up some holes for the run game. in other words....average. i think we can do well enough with journeymen....at least for a while. I'd rather focus my energies on getting playmakers on both sides of the ball and over time, when things drop in our lap, improve the OL. but the main thing is just being opportunistic with FAs, finding those hidden not too awful looking gems.

not conventional wisdom, i guess, but if you've got enough playmakers and enough of a D that can give you enough opportunities, then you can make do well enough without elite talent on the OL.

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I voted OT; but if Cooper the OG there u gotta pick him.

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Captain might not be here so that should really put secondary at either 1-2 most important.

I hope we can find a way to keep him, but he probably wants starter money and he is really a nickel guy. I really like Captain as a nickel guy and back-up PR.

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Just a hypothetical scenario to see which position would be best filled via the draft if all players of need were rated the the same. Yes the scenario is impossible but its the only way to scientifically find out which position our fans would want addressed the most via the draft if all players were rated equal.

The point of this was to consider such factors.

Remember we are talking a our # 1 pick here. Premiere LT'S AND # 1 WR's are too expensive to address in free agency. I'd even argue and then go prove if you insist that top flight receivers are more expensive than top flight LT's in the open market.

There has been at lest 2-3 threads showing where rookie receiver's can make positive impacts right out the gate. Its even proven at the longest it takes them their 3rd year 99% of the time to break out.

If you draft a LT, we then are going to start them over at RT in place of Bell until Gross is no longer with us. So it would take at least as long for us to get our bang for the buck out of an offensive tackle as it would an immediate impact receiver.

Speaking of taking time to develop or "mature" as you say we have 3 CB's in James Dockery, Josh Thomas, and Norman who started for us in our win streak to close the season. All 3 of them will surely improve with experience.

I understand that you were trying to find out what people wanted if all things are equal but my point is that things aren't equal and making a choice based on that assumption is faulty before you start because the assumptions are faulty. Anything that you are trying to do "scientifically" using faulty assumptions and impossible scenarios as you called them, has no value at all.

Secondly, it is easier to pick up good receivers in free agency or by trade then it is to pick up or trade for a LT. For example how many left tackles worth a darn have been available in free agency or by trade in the past few years. Even if we let Gross go, it will be by trade first and release only by necessity (honestly I doubt we do it). On the other hand there have been several top receivers like Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin who were traded for less than a first round pick. Others like Jacoby Jones were free agents and picked up relatively cheaply.

There will be no top left tackle free agent available this year. The top 3, Clady, Bushrod and Beatty will get signed or tagged. Th first guy potentially available may be Brandon Albert for the Chiefs who isn't that great.

The top three draft picks who would be ready to start at left OT this year- Joeckel, Fisher, and Johnson might all be snapped up before we pick at 14. While others may be ready down the road, we need an impact player not one who can play in a year or two. Who can wait until year 3 for a top 15 pick to finally develop?? How many receivers are going to go top 15?? Maybe Patterson but not anyone else.

And no I don't think you draft a guy at 14 as an OT and sit them on the bench You either start him day 1 at right tackle like we did Otah or you trade Gross and throw him into the fire. As for corners if you want a number 1 corner you draft them in the first round. If we believe in who we have you pass on CBs totally. No one outside the first round is better than who we have.

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Personally, I think DTs take a few years to develop.

We need instant impact.

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I understand that you were trying to find out what people wanted if all things are equal but my point is that things aren't equal and making a choice based on that assumption is faulty before you start because the assumptions are faulty. Anything that you are trying to do "scientifically" using faulty assumptions and impossible scenarios as you called them, has no value at all.

Secondly, it is easier to pick up good receivers in free agency or by trade then it is to pick up or trade for a LT. For example how many left tackles worth a darn have been available in free agency or by trade in the past few years. Even if we let Gross go, it will be by trade first and release only by necessity (honestly I doubt we do it). On the other hand there have been several top receivers like Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin who were traded for less than a first round pick. Others like Jacoby Jones were free agents and picked up relatively cheaply.

There will be no top left tackle free agent available this year. The top 3, Clady, Bushrod and Beatty will get signed or tagged. Th first guy potentially available may be Brandon Albert for the Chiefs who isn't that great.

The top three draft picks who would be ready to start at left OT this year- Joeckel, Fisher, and Johnson might all be snapped up before we pick at 14. While others may be ready down the road, we need an impact player not one who can play in a year or two. Who can wait until year 3 for a top 15 pick to finally develop?? How many receivers are going to go top 15?? Maybe Patterson but not anyone else.

And no I don't think you draft a guy at 14 as an OT and sit them on the bench You either start him day 1 at right tackle like we did Otah or you trade Gross and throw him into the fire. As for corners if you want a number 1 corner you draft them in the first round. If we believe in who we have you pass on CBs totally. No one outside the first round is better than who we have.

Who do we have again at CB?

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If we could get lucky enough to pick up Star Lotulelei, that would make a major impact on our front defensive 4.

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Personally, I think DTs take a few years to develop.

We need instant impact.

i agree and i think the same goes with OL. with the exception of very among even the most elite of players, they all look like they are on and they are all prone to dumb false starts and holding calls for the first couple years. i mean they can and usually do get better, but for that first year they typically get abused. just my observation. buy it or not.

i think you are more likely to get more out of a WR or FS or some other skill position quicker than DT or OL.

esp. this year, you are going to find decent and very affordable journeymen just because of the glut of talent hitting the streets thanks to so many teams being over the cap.

again, imo, you can do more with less on the OL if you've got good players surrounding them...and i mean good playmakers. the counter to that is that you can do more with less talent at QB and other skill positions if you've got a studly OL. either way you go, the weaker points look better because of the strengths that are truly there.

i think it's hardest to vet balance between the two and be incredibly successful. you have to make a decision in the short term what direction you want to go. long term you could have both, but it's going to be agonizingly slow growth if you try to be balanced out the gate. if you focus your efforts on one or the other, i think you'll see success earlier.

if you focus your efforts on building an OL early then you'll be respectable, but not what you'd call dynamic and games will pretty much all be grinders and you won't be a team that does well at coming from behind when needed.

if you focus your efforts on getting playmakers at skill positions first then you have a chance to be dynamic, but still many games are going to be a swing for the fences type situation, but you're still more likely to score quicker than the other way.

both rely pretty heavily on defense to hold opposing offenses back just enough to allow and kep your offenses to have the lead. having a less dynamic offense puts more pressure on the defense because you've got to keep the score lower.

the way i see it, we have more pieces in place, largely thanks to cam, to have a dynamic offense. we are just one, maybe two pieces away from having all we need there. mainly we just need another playmaker WR and maybe another pass catching TE and we are set at skill positions.

the OL needs more work. i think that kalil and silatolu are keepers good for the long haul. gross is on the decline and we need to either shrink that salary and possibly move him to the right side and concentrate on replacing him on the left side and eventually replacing him while finding our franchise LT and getting someone to fill the RG spot or just completely overhauling LT, RT, and RG.

the good news is that RG can be taken care of with journeymen. i don't think there's much reason or benefit to investing a lot at either OG spot compared to using your resources on other spots, even OT.

once we have that extra playmaker or two this year, we can concentrate on getting that stud OL.

just my humble opinion.

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