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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

I guess it's a perspective thing. I saw it more as, Williams can stay if he restructures the way they want him to do so. Otherwise they'll do what they have to do to get the cap under this year and beyond. Meaning that Williams stay isn't as concrete as some may think. That's what I gathered from this conference anyway.


I agree, but if you remember I've been saying that DeAngelo was going to restructure since he signed that Monster deal anyways. Now we know that we can expect to hear something for sure in the next 3 weeks. It won't be long that everybody will be complaining that we still have them both, and then a short time afterwards there will be threads Thanking God that we do.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:52 PM

I like how he talked about a long term plan for getting out from under the cap problems. Shows that he knows what he's talking about, and that Hurney didn't.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:34 PM

I like how he talked about a long term plan for getting out from under the cap problems. Shows that he knows what he's talking about, and that Hurney didn't.

yeah, hurney's philosophy was "let's just see what we can do today and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow." it was all about immediate needs or taking care of the past...nothing preparing for the future, which is why he traded away future picks and structured contracts the way he did. his focus was always on yesterday and today.

now gettleman is stuck trying to fix crap left by a guy with no vision for the future.

one thing that absolutely horrifies me is what would hurney have done to fix this mess? the only thing i can think of is what i saw from him in the past....mortgaging our future so that we can keep old players we feel an obligation to under this philosophy that "you don't let talent walk".

looking at the longview is good...but i think that among other things, he's having to keep in mind we've got a star franchise QB whose going to be getting paid boocoos and boocoos of money, esp. if we become serious contenders. he's got to be preparing the long term cap for that and i think he is, but that's one of the things we're going to have to be expecting when stuff really starts happening with the cap and personnel changes come along.

i'm not buying enthusiasm that williams and stewart will be around long term. only way that happens is if one or both make serious changes in their contracts and since stewart just had his renegotiated, i can't see him doing it again for a couple years. we just can't afford to have all that money tied up there, esp. long term. same with LB because luke is going to be getting paid a ton of cash the year after cam does.

it will be interesting to see how all this shakes out. i just can't imagine it will happen painlessly, but i have confidence it will.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

Would you happen to know by how much? What is the margin of the supposed increase?



Edit:

Here's the link to the Gettleman video.

http://www.panthers....a5-f2919730d1a5

Given they told everyone that 2014 would be the start of the higher cap and then said they borrowed money against the cap to increase it in 2011, I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with some reason to keep it flat in 2015 given the owners don't want a higher cap. But the numbers I have seen thrown around increased the cap anywhere from 20 to 30 million a year.
The reason our cap situation is worse in 2014 versus 2013 is Hurney negotiated contracts in 2011 expecting the cap to go up in 2014 instead of stay flat.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:33 PM

I just caught two clips on ESPN (yes i was watching it shame on me) that had Gettleman and Rivera talking about Te'o. They both said they didn't have a problem, especially Gettleman. He said he only cared about what he does between "the white lines." I found that pretty interesting. Maybe we will start drafting some players with more "character concerns."

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

If Double Trouble likes what Shula has planned...both will be here. Sounds like Gettleman likes DWill. Bet he does a restructure.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:40 PM

I just caught two clips on ESPN (yes i was watching it shame on me) that had Gettleman and Rivera talking about Te'o. They both said they didn't have a problem, especially Gettleman. He said he only cared about what he does between "the white lines." I found that pretty interesting. Maybe we will start drafting some players with more "character concerns."



Te'o's problems aren't that huge. The Honey Badger on the other hand, I think we'd have a problem with. I'd still want the Honey Badger taken later rounds though.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

I just caught two clips on ESPN (yes i was watching it shame on me) that had Gettleman and Rivera talking about Te'o. They both said they didn't have a problem, especially Gettleman. He said he only cared about what he does between "the white lines." I found that pretty interesting. Maybe we will start drafting some players with more "character concerns."


LOL...sure they did....Panthers do not need a LB...talk him up....gets someone else to drop to us in the 1st.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

yeah, hurney's philosophy was "let's just see what we can do today and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow." it was all about immediate needs or taking care of the past...nothing preparing for the future, which is why he traded away future picks and structured contracts the way he did. his focus was always on yesterday and today.

now gettleman is stuck trying to fix crap left by a guy with no vision for the future.

one thing that absolutely horrifies me is what would hurney have done to fix this mess? the only thing i can think of is what i saw from him in the past....mortgaging our future so that we can keep old players we feel an obligation to under this philosophy that "you don't let talent walk".

looking at the longview is good...but i think that among other things, he's having to keep in mind we've got a star franchise QB whose going to be getting paid boocoos and boocoos of money, esp. if we become serious contenders. he's got to be preparing the long term cap for that and i think he is, but that's one of the things we're going to have to be expecting when stuff really starts happening with the cap and personnel changes come along.

i'm not buying enthusiasm that williams and stewart will be around long term. only way that happens is if one or both make serious changes in their contracts and since stewart just had his renegotiated, i can't see him doing it again for a couple years. we just can't afford to have all that money tied up there, esp. long term. same with LB because luke is going to be getting paid a ton of cash the year after cam does.

it will be interesting to see how all this shakes out. i just can't imagine it will happen painlessly, but i have confidence it will.

We don't have to really worry about Newton for at least 3 more years. I suspect we will sign him to a mega-deal after his 4th year instead of exercising the fifth year option. When we do it, the contract will likely average 20 million a year but remember that, since we will pay a big chunk of it in a signing bonus, the salary for the first year is always relatively modest making the cap manageable that year. It is when we get out to year 3 and beyond that the cap space tops 20 million. By then he has been with us for 7 or 8 years and we either know he is a deal at that price or we need to be moving on if he regresses. I personally think we will be paying him gladly given that the increase in the cap due to the TV deal should more than handle the difference we will paying him from the 5 million we are paying now. Barring of course another borrowing episode which flattens the cap assuming the TV contract is as lucrative as everyone predicts.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

Love that keeping both 34 and 28 isn't out of the realm of possibilities, even though it most definitely means cutting Gamble and the hole at CB#1 that comes along with it.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:08 PM

LOL...sure they did....Panthers do not need a LB...talk him up....gets someone else to drop to us in the 1st.


He didnt harp on te'o it was a character concern issue. But i see what your saying.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

It's expected to be after the 2015 season before the new TV money actually has an impact on the cap. Remember that the 2011 cap number was supposed to be 113 million and it went up to 121 million, then the 2012 season was supposed to have a cap around 116 and then it stayed around 121 again. This year it's gone up again (small amount, but still an increase) when it was expected to stay flat and the original number for this season was supposed to be around 118-120 roughly projected. On top of that the NFL and NFLPA number's were wrong and the player's are making around 57% of revenue and that hurts future years as well. All told, pretty much all of the money from the TV deal that was expected to hit in 2014 has been used up and isn't really expected to make much of an impact at all till 2016 at the earliest.

The expected sharp increase in cap room was expected in the 2014 of a substantial amount, when the borrowing happened it lessened the impact of the new TV deal considerably. Then the players making over the agreed 50% share killed it.



TLDR - 2014 tv money gone and isn't likely to be seen till the 2016 season. So pretty much all the teams are screwed over the next two years.