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I'm not sure if this has been brought up before but what if eifert or ertz were available at our second pick? Would you guys take them or how would you react if the front office picked one? I haven't looked at them too much but both seem like they'd be starters and have a major impact in receiving and blocking. If we had a legit 2 starters at TE how would that affect our game compared to a new possible 1 or 2 at WR? Just a thought since we're worried about our receiving game.

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Hell. No.

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naw. to many decent ones in later rounds. plus you might be able to get d.keller for cheap in fa.

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Absolutely not. TE is not a big need for the Panthers. O-Line, D-Line, Secondary, and WR are the only positions we should look at with first 2 picks.

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We should be able to bring in someone like Dustin Keller without breaking the bank. I'd prefer to use our early picks on positions that we can't afford to go after in free agency.

OLine, DLine, secondary, WR should be where we use our early picks. They're needs and you can't get a proven quality player in free agency at those positions without paying out the ass, which isn't an option due to our cap space.

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If Eifert or Ertz is there in the 2nd, I'd pee my pant. Id rather take a reliable TE in the 2nd than taking a chance on a WR.

We can plug and play either one of them right away. Taking a WR will be a longer process. It'll give Cam a reliable target. I guess I can live with LAFAIL being the no.2 if we were able to grab Eifert or Ertz in the 2nd.

We need a redzone target for Cam. Cam has no one to their to in the end zone. The two of them can def give Cam that ability, especially Eifert. Eifert is a beast in the end zone.

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I personally think Ertz and Eifert will be gone by our #44 pick so it shouldn't be an issue. That being said, I have a unhealthy love of the TE position and would love it if we grabbed someone like Joseph Fauria or Levine Toilolo to develop in the 4th or later rounds.

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[quote name='carolina-chuck' timestamp='1361548384' post='2141309']
If Eifert or Ertz is there in the 2nd, I'd pee my pant. Id rather take a reliable TE in the 2nd than taking a chance on a WR.

We can plug and play either one of them right away. Taking a WR will be a longer process. It'll give Cam a reliable target. I guess I can live with LAFAIL being the no.2 if we were able to grab Eifert or Ertz in the 2nd.

We need a redzone target for Cam. Cam has no one to their to in the end zone. The two of them can def give Cam that ability, especially Eifert. Eifert is a beast in the end zone.
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Are you fugging kidding me? Do you know who Greg Olsen is??? Damn that could be the dumbest thing you've ever said and that's saying something...

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[quote name='Bwood' timestamp='1361551946' post='2141400']
Are you fugging kidding me? Do you know who Greg Olsen is??? Damn that could be the dumbest thing you've ever said and that's saying something...
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Okay Mr. Grammy

Tell me how many td Olsen caught in the end zone
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yes, he caught 5. More than a fourth of our Passing TDs last year. You know how many Eifert caught at ND last year? 4. Why would we draft a TE in the 2nd when we have bigger needs at OL, DL, and Secondary. Chuck, do you come on this site just to troll all of us?

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LOL

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Dear god this thread.... op put the pipe down!

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I wouldn't mind Eifert in the 2nd. Didn't care for Ertz based on the videos I watched. I'd rather have Toilolo in the 4th+ though.

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Doubt we pull the trigger on a TE in the second but if we do I hope we take SDSU's Gavin Escobar. Dude is a massive target that has long arms and good body control with experience playing in the slot. Has drawn comparisons to Tony Gonzalez for what it's worth. The kid would be a match-up nightmare for any CB or LB and would have a long career catching rifles from Cam. Former basketball player with great hands but pretty useless as a blocker...would need to develop there but has the size and frame to make strides in this regard. As a pure pass-catcher Escobar would be a nice selection and Cam loved having two good TE targets his rookie year.

Have a feeling he will shoot up the draft board within the next couple months.

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Stop name calling. If Gettleman is serious about his BPA strategy, this is a legitimate possibility.

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[quote name='ncsu12engr' timestamp='1361580062' post='2141829']
yes, he caught 5. More than a fourth of our Passing TDs last year. You know how many Eifert caught at ND last year? 4. Why would we draft a TE in the 2nd when we have bigger needs at OL, DL, and Secondary. Chuck, do you come on this site just to troll all of us?
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Id take a 1st round talent in Eifert or Ertz over a 2nd round WR. Just my opinion. The process of developing a rookie WR is way too long. We need to give Cam as many weapons as he need. Cam only has two weapons in 89 and Olsen. Eifert and Ertz could instantly come in here play along Olsen and impact.

I never said go ahead and take a TE over a DL or OL.

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[quote name='nagai' timestamp='1361610274' post='2142070']
Stop name calling. If Gettleman is serious about his BPA strategy, this is a legitimate possibility.
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In one thread everyone is jerking off about drafting the BPA, in another everyone is flipping out about drafting anything other than a critical need. Classic huddle.

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I just think depending on how the FO sees the offense this year, grabbing one of these two if they were available in the 2nd could be a great option. People on here want a WR but everyone seems too scarred from our previous WR busts that the idea of taking one and letting them develop or actually be successful is too big of a risk. As has been stated before, the linemen will be the easiest to fill in FA with bandaids while we position ourselves under the cap. The 1st round should be used for either an elite lineman, a trade down, or BPA at a skill position. If we get a stud G or OT or DT it'll be up there and they'll probably have fallen to us.

The reason I think this 2nd round TE is a solid option is because the effect this will have on our offense as a whole. This idea also takes into account that we didn't take a WR in the 1st and the 2nd rounders don't seem worth it. Having a legit starter at TE across from Olsen, brings us back to the Shockey days and potentially even better than that. Both of these prospects are seen as solid enough blockers coming out to be 3 down players. One of these guys plus Olsen can open up the field just as much as another good WR. We can either stretch the defense wide and open up the middle of the field for our RBs out of the backfield, Pilares or Adams (even Smitty) in the slot. These guys can also open up the top of the D by requiring extra safety help to come down, allowing a slowing Smith more space in the deep field. Murphy and maybe even Gettis could benefit from this as well. They can chip DEs on both sides and are available for extra blocking on runs and are athletic enough to run with Cam when he runs. We can turn the middle of the field into a poo storm for opposing defenses. It'll take too many defenders to cover both TEs at the same time like that, and if they leave one open, we hit them all day. Big, tall bodies for Cam over the middle. Cam has been greatly improving on his checkdowns and these guys can counteract his overthrowing problems.

We need touchdown scorers (not just WRs), we need guys who force the defense to play to us. We need guys who are versatile. If you're too afraid to grab a boom or bust prospect at WR, or guys who have already suffered questionable injuries, I don't see why you can't take one of these guys instead. Look at the thread in the Panthers forum. TEs are lining up as WRs in more overall snaps than their stated position, isn't that what really matters? If this scenario happened, and we wanted someone to catch the ball, I think these could be real possibilities.

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[quote name='nagai' timestamp='1361610274' post='2142070']
Stop name calling. If Gettleman is serious about his BPA strategy, this is a legitimate possibility.
[/quote]you've got a point.

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[quote name='Ship' timestamp='1361639639' post='2142251']
[b]I just think depending on how the FO sees the offense this year, grabbing one of these two if they were available in the 2nd could be a great option. People on here want a WR but everyone seems too scarred from our previous WR busts that the idea of taking one and letting them develop or actually be successful is too big of a risk. As has been stated before, the linemen will be the easiest to fill in FA with bandaids while we position ourselves under the cap. The 1st round should be used for either an elite lineman, a trade down, or BPA at a skill position. If we get a stud G or OT or DT it'll be up there and they'll probably have fallen to us.

The reason I think this 2nd round TE is a solid option is because the effect this will have on our offense as a whole. This idea also takes into account that we didn't take a WR in the 1st and the 2nd rounders don't seem worth it. Having a legit starter at TE across from Olsen, brings us back to the Shockey days and potentially even better than that. Both of these prospects are seen as solid enough blockers coming out to be 3 down players. One of these guys plus Olsen can open up the field just as much as another good WR. We can either stretch the defense wide and open up the middle of the field for our RBs out of the backfield, Pilares or Adams (even Smitty) in the slot. These guys can also open up the top of the D by requiring extra safety help to come down, allowing a slowing Smith more space in the deep field. Murphy and maybe even Gettis could benefit from this as well. They can chip DEs on both sides and are available for extra blocking on runs and are athletic enough to run with Cam when he runs. We can turn the middle of the field into a poo storm for opposing defenses. It'll take too many defenders to cover both TEs at the same time like that, and if they leave one open, we hit them all day. Big, tall bodies for Cam over the middle. Cam has been greatly improving on his checkdowns and these guys can counteract his overthrowing problems.

We need touchdown scorers (not just WRs), we need guys who force the defense to play to us. We need guys who are versatile. If you're too afraid to grab a boom or bust prospect at WR, or guys who have already suffered questionable injuries, I don't see why you can't take one of these guys instead. Look at the thread in the Panthers forum. TEs are lining up as WRs in more overall snaps than their stated position, isn't that what really matters? If this scenario happened, and we wanted someone to catch the ball, I think these could be real possibilities.
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THIS!

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that tight end show aint get panthers to no playoffs 2011.

need deep threat.

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[quote name='BigSyke' timestamp='1361653650' post='2142413']
that tight end show aint get panthers to no playoffs 2011.

need deep threat.
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We got deep threat in 89.
What we need is to be able to move the chain constantly and an "end zone threat"; touchdowns guy.

More Tds = more wins. I.E, Cincy (Green) and Minny (Ruldoph).

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Let me say this. We better wish we don't see the Failcons take Eifert or maybe even Ertz with their pick in the 1st rd.

Our secondary is already very weak. Godfrey, Naka, Martin, no one will be able to cover Eifert one on one. Unless we get a Vacarro or Kenny Phillips we'd be in trouble having Ryan throwing to Eifert/Ertz.

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sorry one of the few times i disagree with you chuck. lol

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rather have great deep threat and great oline with a lower round tightend or fa guy with exp.

if you have to double cover smith and (wr x) thats leaves good matches for a tightend and slotwr to get open in the middle.

brady scored more with an aging star deep threat than a young prime te at his best.

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