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#76 GRWatcher

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:10 PM

With the glass ankles that Stewart has the Panthers would be idiots to cut Williams. Stewart hasn't played a full year in 3 years. Probably hasn't practiced in 4 at least. No way I hang my hat on that.

Even with less carries last year Williams' average yards per carry have been consistent over the years. Consistently high, like 4 yds per carry (estimating in my head, no stat reader here). Put a value on that, I'm sure his agent has. And I'm sure Gettleman has too.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

We weren't ground in pound in 2011....

Newton made us the best attack in 2011 bc we had a decent OL.......and RGIII did the same in 2012 for his team. It isn't about the RB when you have a special guy at QB.

Problem in 2012....we short changed our OL. That was more costly than cute Chud. 3/5th weren't starting caliber heading in and them we lost Kalil.


Cam should not have to bare the entire load unless we want to shorten his career.

Washington had a thousand yard rusher in rookie Alfred Morris and still nearly ruined Griffins career in only his first year. If we actually utilize our running backs properly we will have a top rushing attack.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

CRA, why is it so hard to understand? How many times do you got to have the situation explained to you? Cutting him this year screws us in the future. Your only rebuttle is "no it'll save us money now and in the future. We have the most expensive backfield dur herp dur herp". You say that even though it's been explained multiple times to you that it WILL NOT save us money in the future. No matter how emotional you are about it, it's not going to change the fact that keeping him another year is better for the cap.


Keeping him at his current deal screws us....what is so hard to understand about that.

Yes, I acknowledge keeping him now and cutting him next year would be slightly better if just looking creating future cap space bc it creates more. So?

I'd rather not have scrubs all over the OL and secondary this year.

About getting better as a team. Cutting him now will create cap space to make moves which we need. Also gets guys in sooner rather than delaying it. More time together also with the new parts.

I am not emotional about it. I don't want to keep players bc they are fan favorites. Williams isn't worth it.....simple and plain. No point paying lots of money for so little work. would have been better to let both walk than sign both.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

Cam should not have to bare the entire load unless we want to shorten his career.

Washington had a thousand yard rusher in rookie Alfred Morris and still nearly ruined Griffins career in only his first year. If we actually utilize our running backs properly we will have a top rushing attack.


RBs are easy to find....so it is silly to suggest cutting Williams somehow means we are then putting it all on Cam. Stewart + Tolbert is more than most teams have....and we would still replace Williams.

Griffen's career was nearly ruined bc Washington runs a weakly built QB like he is a physical beast...when who has been injured and is a magnet for contact (dating back to college)

Don't need Williams to have a top ground attack that isn't all on Cam. Cam needs a D, OL, and receiving options more so than stud RBs. Give Cam an OL and receiving targets and my grandma could run for Carolina.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

If the 2013 season starts....and Williams is taking up 8 million in cap space. I will re-register and start posting under the screen name Resident Idiot. I just don't see how this franchise could do such a thing

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

Good, now fix the offensive line.

with what money?

that money is going to come from somewhere. since it won't be RBs, it will be from some other area that likely isn't as well stocked (or overstocked).

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

RBs are easy to find....so it is silly to suggest cutting Williams somehow means we are then putting it all on Cam. Stewart + Tolbert is more than most teams have....and we would still replace Williams.

Griffen's career was nearly ruined bc Washington runs a weakly built QB like he is a physical beast...when who has been injured and is a magnet for contact (dating back to college)

Don't need Williams to have a top ground attack that isn't all on Cam. Cam needs a D, OL, and receiving options more so than stud RBs. Give Cam an OL and receiving targets and my grandma could run for Carolina.


Of course they are easy to find. You know though, as bad as we think our situation is it's entirely possible to make it worse.

I like Stew but I'm not confident he can stay healthy a full season as the primary back.

Griffin may lack the size to absorb hits but any team will be tempting the fate of their QB if overused like that.

I understand and agree with you wanting us to address other positions aswell but whether we cut or keep Williams this year our options are pretty well limited for serious upgrades at those positions. You can send Hurney a thank you card for that.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

draft lattimore. hurndog would be proud

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:52 PM

Nothing knee jerk about overpaying RBs is a bad idea that costs us at other spots......the talk started before we paid both.

It is a about getting better as a team quickest. Sometimes you eat money to do it

agreed. calling it a knee jerk reaction and the other viewpoint "rationale" is a piss-ant response that's not worth responding to.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

If you guys want to piss and moan about contracts that have already been handed out then start a thread about it and do it there. Everyone on this board knew that this was going to be a tough offseason.

Don't get amnesia and a sandy vagina now, welcome to last year.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

paying any back up let alone a rb 8 million is Not smart.might as well kept Hurney,maybe something else is set up.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

Of course they are easy to find. You know though, as bad as we think our situation is it's entirely possible to make it worse.

I like Stew but I'm not confident he can stay healthy a full season as the primary back.

Griffin may lack the size to absorb hits but any team will be tempting the fate of their QB if overused like that.

I understand and agree with you wanting us to address other positions aswell but whether we cut or keep Williams this year our options are pretty well limited for serious upgrades at those positions. You can send Hurney a thank you card for that.


He was the primary man in the backfield in 2011....

But with Cam you don't need a primary RB. You just need a RB committee....paying 2 featured RBs isn't what teams define it as.

In my mind Cam has a shorter window than traditional guys....which is why it irritates me we are overpaying RBs instead of investing in guys to help win NOW. He needs a D and OL....two places neglected last year and we settled on.

If you drafted Cam IMO you accept he won't have a Tom Brady career in terms of length. You should use him as he is intended and meant to be play.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

If you guys want to piss and moan about contracts that have already been handed out then start a thread about it and do it there. Everyone on this board knew that this was going to be a tough offseason. Don't get amnesia and a sandy vagina now, welcome to last year.

Um, this thread is essentially about Williams and his contract.....and the assumption we will keep both. How is this not the thread to talk about it

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

We weren't ground in pound in 2011....

Newton made us the best attack in 2011 bc we had a decent OL.......and RGIII did the same in 2012 for his team. It isn't about the RB when you have a special guy at QB.

Problem in 2012....we short changed our OL. That was more costly than cute Chud. 3/5th weren't starting caliber heading in and them we lost Kalil.


Im putting 2011 stats first, compared to this past season

DeAngelo - 836 RuYd - 737
Stewart - 761 RuYd - 336

And Cam rushed for more yards in '12 with 1 more attempt

In 2011 we may have not been typical "ground n pound" where its I formation and you run right up the gut, but we had a very effective ground game and everyone was contributing. Last year the play calling stunk till the last 6 games where dwill salvaged his stats in a major way but the reason we got better towards the end of the season was because we started to emphasize just running the football in a more conventional way, and what do you know it worked.

Offensive Line did not have to do with lack of strength running the football, we had Kalil in Atlanta. We had Kalil against Tampa Bay, and we couldn't do a damn thing against their D because every play looked like it was made up by a Huddler on Madden

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

draft lattimore. hurndog would be proud


Anything to keep him out of Atlanta. My heart couldn't take such a good person going to such a poo hole.


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