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#85 TheRed

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

If you guys want to piss and moan about contracts that have already been handed out then start a thread about it and do it there. Everyone on this board knew that this was going to be a tough offseason.

Don't get amnesia and a sandy vagina now, welcome to last year.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

paying any back up let alone a rb 8 million is Not smart.might as well kept Hurney,maybe something else is set up.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

Of course they are easy to find. You know though, as bad as we think our situation is it's entirely possible to make it worse.

I like Stew but I'm not confident he can stay healthy a full season as the primary back.

Griffin may lack the size to absorb hits but any team will be tempting the fate of their QB if overused like that.

I understand and agree with you wanting us to address other positions aswell but whether we cut or keep Williams this year our options are pretty well limited for serious upgrades at those positions. You can send Hurney a thank you card for that.


He was the primary man in the backfield in 2011....

But with Cam you don't need a primary RB. You just need a RB committee....paying 2 featured RBs isn't what teams define it as.

In my mind Cam has a shorter window than traditional guys....which is why it irritates me we are overpaying RBs instead of investing in guys to help win NOW. He needs a D and OL....two places neglected last year and we settled on.

If you drafted Cam IMO you accept he won't have a Tom Brady career in terms of length. You should use him as he is intended and meant to be play.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

If you guys want to piss and moan about contracts that have already been handed out then start a thread about it and do it there. Everyone on this board knew that this was going to be a tough offseason. Don't get amnesia and a sandy vagina now, welcome to last year.

Um, this thread is essentially about Williams and his contract.....and the assumption we will keep both. How is this not the thread to talk about it

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

We weren't ground in pound in 2011....

Newton made us the best attack in 2011 bc we had a decent OL.......and RGIII did the same in 2012 for his team. It isn't about the RB when you have a special guy at QB.

Problem in 2012....we short changed our OL. That was more costly than cute Chud. 3/5th weren't starting caliber heading in and them we lost Kalil.


Im putting 2011 stats first, compared to this past season

DeAngelo - 836 RuYd - 737
Stewart - 761 RuYd - 336

And Cam rushed for more yards in '12 with 1 more attempt

In 2011 we may have not been typical "ground n pound" where its I formation and you run right up the gut, but we had a very effective ground game and everyone was contributing. Last year the play calling stunk till the last 6 games where dwill salvaged his stats in a major way but the reason we got better towards the end of the season was because we started to emphasize just running the football in a more conventional way, and what do you know it worked.

Offensive Line did not have to do with lack of strength running the football, we had Kalil in Atlanta. We had Kalil against Tampa Bay, and we couldn't do a damn thing against their D because every play looked like it was made up by a Huddler on Madden

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

draft lattimore. hurndog would be proud


Anything to keep him out of Atlanta. My heart couldn't take such a good person going to such a poo hole.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

with what money?

that money is going to come from somewhere. since it won't be RBs, it will be from some other area that likely isn't as well stocked (or overstocked).


cutting gamble and restructuring a few more guys will open the doors to sign a solid FA (i'd love to see RG filled) and then drafting a guy. really all you need is a solid RG and decent depth at tackle to vastly improve our situation.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

if you didn't see this coming you don't understand the cap, there was a reason when the trade talks were going on I said we would be crazy not to trade him if we could, and that was because cutting him wouldn't save us anything, duh

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

Gettleman has seen what Dwill and Jstew could do together. They've ran successfully on the Giants in their careers. He also knows our weak and injured our offensive line was. Also the Giants have always tried to be real deep at the RB position.

This is a good move for our Panthers. Besides Jstew is generally hurt a couple of games out of the year, and Tolbert's great and all, but he can't fill those shoes.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

Im putting 2011 stats first, compared to this past season

DeAngelo - 836 RuYd - 737
Stewart - 761 RuYd - 336

And Cam rushed for more yards in '12 with 1 more attempt

In 2011 we may have not been typical "ground n pound" where its I formation and you run right up the gut, but we had a very effective ground game and everyone was contributing. Last year the play calling stunk till the last 6 games where dwill salvaged his stats in a major way but the reason we got better towards the end of the season was because we started to emphasize just running the football in a more conventional way, and what do you know it worked.

Offensive Line did not have to do with lack of strength running the football, we had Kalil in Atlanta. We had Kalil against Tampa Bay, and we couldn't do a damn thing against their D because every play looked like it was made up by a Huddler on Madden


We still were not ground and pound in 11. More finesse overall

How does the offense line not have something to do with running the ball?

3/5 of our OL opening day was backup material. Then we lost Kalil....having Kalil early didn't change the fact our G play was probably worst in the NFL or close to it. No holes. Need Gs to aid in that.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

cutting gamble and restructuring a few more guys will open the doors to sign a solid FA (i'd love to see RG filled) and then drafting a guy. really all you need is a solid RG and decent depth at tackle to vastly improve our situation.

here's the problem with that. are those positions we cut at as in as good shape as RB? can they take the hit personnel-wise as well as RB would?

those spots that are cut have to be filled somehow. how is that going to be done? in trying to make cap room we make more holes that need to be filled. why? so we can keep a player whose production wouldn't be missed and who would be easily replaced with a cheaper option.

makes sense to me.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

I don't see where or how is it that we're keeping Williams. If it's just because Gettleman said, "I don't see why not." That's not enough to actually believe williams will stay here.

Had he said. "Yes, there are no plans to cut Williams." Then I would believe it. This sounds more like he's putting the ball on Williams court. I'm expecting a restructure.

Keep in mind that he also said that he would do what he has to do.